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  • Future Ace

    2 1.96%
  • Middle-of-the-rotation starter

    16 15.69%
  • Back-end starter, with potential to be middle-of-the-rotation

    39 38.24%
  • Back-end starter

    17 16.67%
  • With more work, a back-end starter

    14 13.73%
  • Send him to the bullpen

    11 10.78%
  • Just cut him already!

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Thread: How good is Matt Belisle?

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    How good is Matt Belisle?

    I have seen many different opinions of Matt Belisle. Some, such as myself, believe that he is a solid #4/#5 now, and could develope into a #3. Others, think he is a borderline #5 guy that is better served with a move to the bullpen... What do you expect from Matt Belisle in 2008 and beyond?
    Last edited by *BaseClogger*; 12-23-2007 at 01:45 PM.
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle

    i expect belisle to be a solid #4 starter this season and beyond. If he really works hard he can become a #3 starter. Last year was his first full year a starter and had his up and downs. he needs to continue to develop his pitches and stamina so he can go later in games than he did last year. If Belisle could work in a sinker to his arsenal he would be even more successful. He had games where he would throw a complete game and look dominant and others he wouldn't last 3 or 4 innings.

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    FUTURE ACE BABY!!!

    And Hopper will be MVP!!!
    FIRE DUSTY Never mind. The man is clearly a genius.

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Natty Redlocks View Post
    FUTURE ACE BABY!!!

    And Hopper will be MVP!!!
    Thanks for taking the poll seriously...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    I think honestly that if he can work through his back issues and build on last year, he's a threat to be a controlled cheap and good number 3 starter. He had the potentional with the Braves when we traded for him and he showed flashes of it last season.
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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    Count me among those who are unimpressed by Belisle. Either make him a bullpen long man or cut him.

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by HalMorrisRules View Post
    Count me among those who are unimpressed by Belisle. Either make him a bullpen long man or cut him.
    care to illustrate for us?
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    It's interesting to see how much the opinion on Belisle varies... JUST AS I EXPECTED!
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    I think he's a back end of the rotation starter right now but he does have the potential to be more in the middle of the rotation guy. Last year was his first year starting in the majors and he definitely had his ups and downs but I think he will do much better this year having some experience behind him. He's a hard working guy and I hope he can parlay that into a great year.

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    Im going with 4 or 5 with number 3 potential

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    I think Beslile would be perfect as the long man/6th starter spot on a good team.
    I was in the ORG once, best 6 months of my life.

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    care to illustrate for us?
    I have heard several places, including from WK himself that Belisle finished strong and should be strong this season because of that strong finish. Here are his September stats.

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    30.2 30 19 18 4 9 21 1-1 5.28

    His 5 starts in September featured ER totals of 5,2,5,4 & 2. Not exactly what I would call "finishing strong"

    Not convinced yet? His August numbers were equally as "strong."

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    23.0 30 14 14 5 5 19 2-0 5.48

    Should I go on? Ok, here's July's numbers.

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    25.2 39 19 18 4 7 18 0-3 6.31

    But wait, there's more. June was his best yet

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    28.2 36 23 22 8 10 19 0-1 6.91


    I, along with most Reds fans were very encouraged by his good start to the season, but he quickly came back to earth and left quite a divot. I just do not see why so many people see reason for optimism.

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    This year is his last chance. Honestly, I hope he can turn into a third starter. Right now he's a fifth starter at best.
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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by HalMorrisRules View Post
    I have heard several places, including from WK himself that Belisle finished strong and should be strong this season because of that strong finish. Here are his September stats.

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    30.2 30 19 18 4 9 21 1-1 5.28

    His 5 starts in September featured ER totals of 5,2,5,4 & 2. Not exactly what I would call "finishing strong"

    Not convinced yet? His August numbers were equally as "strong."

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    23.0 30 14 14 5 5 19 2-0 5.48

    Should I go on? Ok, here's July's numbers.

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    25.2 39 19 18 4 7 18 0-3 6.31

    But wait, there's more. June was his best yet

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    28.2 36 23 22 8 10 19 0-1 6.91


    I, along with most Reds fans were very encouraged by his good start to the season, but he quickly came back to earth and left quite a divot. I just do not see why so many people see reason for optimism.
    so are you saying his first two months were just a fluke?
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: How good is Matt Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by HalMorrisRules View Post
    I have heard several places, including from WK himself that Belisle finished strong and should be strong this season because of that strong finish. Here are his September stats.

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    30.2 30 19 18 4 9 21 1-1 5.28

    His 5 starts in September featured ER totals of 5,2,5,4 & 2. Not exactly what I would call "finishing strong"

    Not convinced yet? His August numbers were equally as "strong."

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    23.0 30 14 14 5 5 19 2-0 5.48

    Should I go on? Ok, here's July's numbers.

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    25.2 39 19 18 4 7 18 0-3 6.31

    But wait, there's more. June was his best yet

    IP H R ER HR BB SO DEC ERA
    28.2 36 23 22 8 10 19 0-1 6.91


    I, along with most Reds fans were very encouraged by his good start to the season, but he quickly came back to earth and left quite a divot. I just do not see why so many people see reason for optimism.
    So here's my question. What do you consider a quality outing to be. Is it 6 IP / 3 ER , defined as a quality start? Or do you think it's more like 7IP/2ER. What stat line is good enough to be considered a good enough start for a back-end type starter. Is 7IP/4ER good enough even though it isnt a "QS". What about 5/3 or 5/2.


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