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    Well I just kind of found it funny that last week I had to go to an Orioles board to interact with an ORG member about baseball. Sad.
    That really says more about some posters than it does about the board.

    Not sure if you've ever read the words "Har Ecou" before, but believe me, if you had, you'd know why we have the two forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redlegz View Post
    I don't understand the argument of having two seperate boards as being easier for the moderators. With two boards they have twice the number of places to moderate thus making their job harder.

    Unless the argument is based upon the presumption that the lower-class board does not get moderated at all, and you only let the "good" posters into the upper-class board. Which if this is the case then are they really moderators or just clique organizers.
    Speaking for myself, I moderate both forums equally, and read both just about every day. Most issues get handled privately, so it may seem that there's no "moderating" taking place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macro View Post
    Speaking for myself, I moderate both forums equally, and read both just about every day. Most issues get handled privately, so it may seem that there's no "moderating" taking place.
    Isn't any talk of how hard it is to moderate pretty moot right now? The board is always a sea of calmness in the off season compared to the the season, there is less traffic and less moments to trigger negative responses from those who create and those who reply to threads.

    It's like baking bread at sea level and then at 8000 feet, same process, different results based on environment.

    But hey... that's why I don't want to be a moderator.

    Because it's time consuming and seems kinda taxing.

    Let's revisit these sentiments during the season and see if if we get a different point of view (from the majority, some folks are firmly entrenched in their positions).

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    I read RedsZone a lot more than I post. The split is good for me, because I prefer to read the Sundeck over the ORG. It always feels like in the ORG that I have to Read 10 pages of crap to find out that we are unlikely to get Eric Bedard. :thumbdown Plus it seems like there are so many egos in the ORG, that are posting almost so they can hear thier own voice, so to speak. Fall City Beer is a someone that comes to mind. Sorry to personally attack someone.

    I try not to be negitive, but it has something that has been on my mind for a little bit now. Honestly the only reason I would want to be a member of the ORG, would be so I can get a picture under my name.
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    I've been a member here at Redszone for a long time never a member of the ORG even before the split, and yes I remember Har (what a jerk). However it still rubs me the wrong way that there is no way for ORG members and Sundeck members to discuss MLB.

    I understand the reasons for changing the system from a rep sytem (gaming the system), but at the same time the ORG members access from Sundeck was removed. Now the mere fact that I as a Sundeck member can not discuss MLB with you, an ORG member on an open forum without breaking the rules of the site just seems wrong.

    I also think the division of ORG and Sundeck is bad for the ORG. The one thing I've learned about the Internet is, your either growing or your dying. Eventually, the ORG membership is going to stop visiting the website as much for a variety of possible reasons. So that means the membership of the ORG will have to be replenished. Now the further removed from the split we are the less likely someone is to actually want to move over to the ORG. Lets say a user who signs up today, adds thoughtfull intelligent posts to threads and is invited to the ORG. Why would he want to ever move to the ORG to totally change the group of users he interacts with? He doesn't know who Raisor (there you go there's your Sundecker mention), WOY, or Boss are. Why would he want to be promoted to the ORG? I know me personally there are quite a few posters on the Sundeck that I enjoy reading and I would be hesitant to leave them behind.

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    I read it often. Not every day as a lot of posts are similar but I do read Sun Deck none the less. I also vote on new members when I can or feel that I know some of their "work".
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
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    Quote Originally Posted by redlegz View Post
    However it still rubs me the wrong way that there is no way for ORG members and Sundeck members to discuss MLB.
    I know its not forum-based nor is it year-round but there's a pretty good mix of ORG and Sundeck peeps in chat during the games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redlegz View Post
    I've been a member here at Redszone for a long time never a member of the ORG even before the split, and yes I remember Har (what a jerk). However it still rubs me the wrong way that there is no way for ORG members and Sundeck members to discuss MLB.

    I understand the reasons for changing the system from a rep sytem (gaming the system), but at the same time the ORG members access from Sundeck was removed. Now the mere fact that I as a Sundeck member can not discuss MLB with you, an ORG member on an open forum without breaking the rules of the site just seems wrong.

    I also think the division of ORG and Sundeck is bad for the ORG. The one thing I've learned about the Internet is, your either growing or your dying. Eventually, the ORG membership is going to stop visiting the website as much for a variety of possible reasons. So that means the membership of the ORG will have to be replenished. Now the further removed from the split we are the less likely someone is to actually want to move over to the ORG. Lets say a user who signs up today, adds thoughtfull intelligent posts to threads and is invited to the ORG. Why would he want to ever move to the ORG to totally change the group of users he interacts with? He doesn't know who Raisor (there you go there's your Sundecker mention), WOY, or Boss are. Why would he want to be promoted to the ORG? I know me personally there are quite a few posters on the Sundeck that I enjoy reading and I would be hesitant to leave them behind.
    I agree with these sentiments and it's why I started this thread. I would love to be a member of the ORG, but considering that most of the best posters in the SunDeck can't get in, I doubt I will ever be accepted. It just seems like the ORG is an elitist group that doesn't want their own distinction hurt by allowing any new members, which is a shame...
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    I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who take it as a personal affront that they are not in the ORG. I obviously don't understand that viewpoint but as somebody who was a Reds fan long before the internet was around I appreciate having a central location for Reds information, regardless if there is a split within that location. There are procedures in place to "graduate" if that is your goal but it's been said a million times, this is not a democracy. It's a website run by real people who can decide how they want to run their website.
    More often than not, when someone is telling me a story all I can think about is that I can't wait for them to finish so that I can tell my own story that's not only better, but also more directly involves me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaRed View Post
    I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who take it as a personal affront that they are not in the ORG. I obviously don't understand that viewpoint but as somebody who was a Reds fan long before the internet was around I appreciate having a central location for Reds information, regardless if there is a split within that location. There are procedures in place to "graduate" if that is your goal but it's been said a million times, this is not a democracy. It's a website run by real people who can decide how they want to run their website.
    well yeah I guess, but I wasn't taking it personally. Sorry I don't remember what it was like being a Reds fan before the internet
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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Sorry I don't remember what it was like being a Reds fan before the internet
    There was that big red machine thing.... I wonder how many Reds fans would trade their internet connection for the return of those days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redlegz View Post
    Now the mere fact that I as a Sundeck member can not discuss MLB with you, an ORG member on an open forum without breaking the rules of the site just seems wrong.


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    Re: ORG members

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I agree with these sentiments and it's why I started this thread. I would love to be a member of the ORG, but considering that most of the best posters in the SunDeck can't get in, I doubt I will ever be accepted. It just seems like the ORG is an elitist group that doesn't want their own distinction hurt by allowing any new members, which is a shame...
    The changes were made because Reds Live was a sea of festering crap during its existence, and that's all you'll ever get if you allow ORG posters to interact with RL/SD posters. Meanwhile the ORG, which was set up to be the focus of Reds discussion, was a ghost town because too many ORG posters were willing to participate in the sea of festering crap known as Reds Live. Eventually the place just turns into cincinnati.com and reds.com, and what we saw with Reds Live last year is proof of that.

    RZ's premise is geared toward high quality Reds discussion in the ORG. The only way to ensure that high quality discussion occurs on RZ (and the ORG) is to restrict access to the ORG to posters who have proven they'll provide high quality content. If ORG posters would be allowed to post in the SD, then the ORG would turn into a ghost town once again and the Sun Deck would be Reds Live version 2.0, in other words, another sea of festering crap.

    As far as I'm concerned, the quality discussion on RZ during the last six months is as high as I've ever seen it, and jimbo already correctly pointed that out in this thread. High quality discussion is the goal of the forum, and the ORG in the last six months has provided that. The ORG is far from dying; it's absolutely thriving. Just 10 minutes ago there were 113 people viewing the ORG (granted some of them were search engine spiders). It's January 2nd. It's the offseason. Spring training is still over six weeks away. This time last year the ORG would be lucky to have 40 people viewing it.

    Just wait until the Reds are actually good. The readership in the ORG will absolutely explode, as will participation across the entire forum.

    I'd welcome anybody unhappy with RZ/ORG to try to post on the main board at SoSH. You want to post there, then you'd better pony up and pay a fee. I find it ironic that the Orioles board - Orioles Hangout - was referenced too. Guess what happens once you reach 500 posts and you want to continue to post there? You're required to pay a fee.

    Boss and GIK could very easily charge a fee for posting on RZ, but they don't. I can't speak for them, but if I had a guess then I'd say what they want most with RZ is just a place with high quality Reds discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redlegz View Post
    I don't understand the argument of having two seperate boards as being easier for the moderators. With two boards they have twice the number of places to moderate thus making their job harder.
    It was said at the time that the interaction between some ORG-eligible posters and some ineligible posters on baseball topics was creating more work for the moderators. Keeping the camps separate reduces the friction and makes things more peaceful.
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    Unfortunately, when you guys talk about the "old days" I have no idea what you are talking about...
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