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    Taking stock of the minor leaguers heading into 2008

    With pitchers and catchers only six weeks away, I thought I'd take a gander at the minor league system, and see where people wanted to start several of our prospects. Here is my list (all ages are as of P&C report date):

    1. J.Bruce, 20, OF AAA Start in AAA until one of the OF's get hurt, then bring him up and start him everyday. I wouldn't be upset, however, if he was the Opening Day CF.

    2. H.Bailey 21, RHP AAA If the Reds can acquire another starter, I start him in AAA until one of the rotation spots open up. At that point, he's up and in the rotation for good. If the Reds don't acquire another SP, I'm fine with him starting the year as the #5.

    3. J.Cueto 21, RHP AAA Start in AAA, if he does well I bring him up to pitch out of the bullpen beginning in June. Provided he continues to progress, I give him a couple of spot starts at the end of the summer.

    4. T.Frazier 21, SS/3B A I start him in Dayton, but if he hits well he goes to Sarasota by June.

    5. M.Maloney 24, LHP AAA He starts as the #3 pitcher in Louisville, assuming Bailey is down there as well. Once Bailey gets called up, he is next in line for spot starting duty if a pitcher goes down in Cincy.

    6. J.Roenicke 25, RHP AAA I start him in Louisville, and leave him there until the ASBreak. If he is doing well, look for him in Cincy by the end of the summer.

    7. D.Stubbs 23, OF A+ He starts in Sarasota and must continue his hot streak he ended the year with. If he does, he's in Chattanooga by the ASBreak. If he doesn't, he's bust city.

    8. T.Wood 21, LHP A+ He also starts in Sarasota, but should look for a call up to Chattanooga around the ASBreak.

    9. K.Lotzkar 18, RHP A He should have a good year in Dayton, where he remains all season long.

    10. D.Mesoraco 19, C A He should also be slotted in at Dayton for the duration of the season. Hopefully he starts hitting.

    11. D.Dorn 23, OF AA He'll start at Chattanooga, but could be in Louisville by midsummer if he keeps hitting. Look for his promotion to coincide with Stubbs coming to Chattanooga.

    12. S.Watson 22, RHP A+ He needs to regain his composure with a full season in Sarasota. Hopefully he bounces back and regains his form.

    13. C.Fisher 24, RHP AA He'll start in Chattanooga, although he'll be 25 before the season starts. Once Bailey and/or Cueto are promoted to the big club, look for him to fill their spot in the Louisville rotation. He has to gain consistency.

    14. A.Rosales 24, INF AAA I start him in Louisville, but let him concentrate on playing one position. He had a solid half of a season in Chattanooga last season, and factoring in his age (he'll be 25 before the ASBreak) this is a good example of needing to challenge thy hitters.

    15. J.Francisco 20, 3B A+ His power is tempting, but really needs to improve his plate discipline in Sarasota in order to remain relevant. His fielding needs to continue to improve as well.

    Some others:
    16. T.Pelland, 24 LHP AAA
    17. B.Waring, 21 3B A/A+ (midseason promotion)
    18. N.Soto, 18 SS/3B A
    19. S.LeCure, 23 RHP AA/AAA (midseason promotion)
    20. D.Thompson, 22 RHP A+/AA (midseason promotion)
    21. C.Valaika, 22 2B A+
    22. P.Viola, 24 LHP AA/AAA (midseason promotion)
    23. D.Herrera, 23 LHP AAA
    24. J.Turner, 22 2B A+
    25. C.Tatum, 24 AA/AAA (midseason promotion)

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    Re: Taking stock of the minor leaguers heading into 2008

    Watson is hopefully in AA by midseason
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    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Watson is hopefully in AA by midseason
    Nah, with his struggles last season, it would be good for him to be coddled a bit and spend a full season in Sarasota. Unless he is completely dominant, I would let him stay there all season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Nah, with his struggles last season, it would be good for him to be coddled a bit and spend a full season in Sarasota. Unless he is completely dominant, I would let him stay there all season.
    I guess you're right... he's gonna end up in the bullpen anyways...
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    Re: Taking stock of the minor leaguers heading into 2008

    we should try to trade a lot of these guys.

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    Re: Taking stock of the minor leaguers heading into 2008

    I have a feeling these Dayton and Louisville teams are going to be awesome. Waring, Soto, Mesoraco, Frazier, Lotzkar, possibly even Hildenbrandt on the same team? Top 3 or Bailey-Cueto-Maloney in Louisville (doubt it happens, Im 99% sure Bailey is in the bigs) along with Rosales and Bruce, and Pelland, Roenicke, and Herrera in the pen.
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    Re: Taking stock of the minor leaguers heading into 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    we should try to trade a lot of these guys.
    which ones would you like to move (other than Francisco?)
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    Re: Taking stock of the minor leaguers heading into 2008

    How will the infield in Dayton shore up? Frazier 3B Soto SS Waring 2B?
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    Re: Taking stock of the minor leaguers heading into 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by 11larkin11 View Post
    How will the infield in Dayton shore up? Frazier 3B Soto SS Waring 2B?
    My guess is Waring ends up at 1B, no way does he play in the middle infield. What will be interesting is to see is which one sticks at SS and who moves to 3B between Frazier and Soto. Maybe Cozart plays at SS (he's the best fielder of the bunch) and either Soto or Frazier goes to the OF?
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    Re: Taking stock of the minor leaguers heading into 2008

    I'll bet Frazier starts at High-A in Sarasota.
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    Re: Taking stock of the minor leaguers heading into 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    which ones would you like to move (other than Francisco?)
    a lot of them-- I don't really care whom. My basic take is that number 6 on your list is not obviously more talented than the player who's probably number 46. That's both good and bad. It's bad if you fall in love with your rankings... but it's good if you don't and are willing to give other teams many choices for whom they would like to trade.

    you'd probably want to keep Rosales-- only RHed bat-- any CFer, and LHed pitcher. Otherwise, though...

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    I'll bet Frazier starts at High-A in Sarasota.
    Me too. That still begs the question, what happens to the Middle infield with Francisco manning third base we have Valaika, Turner and Frazier for 2 spots.

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    Re: Taking stock of the minor leaguers heading into 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    a lot of them-- I don't really care whom. My basic take is that number 6 on your list is not obviously more talented than the player who's probably number 46. That's both good and bad. It's bad if you fall in love with your rankings... but it's good if you don't and are willing to give other teams many choices for whom they would like to trade.

    you'd probably want to keep Rosales-- only RHed bat-- any CFer, and LHed pitcher. Otherwise, though...
    I completely agree. The rankings now are much less important than they were with The Big 4 headlining the list. That's why I protect Maloney (and the '07 draftees), then offer the O's any three guys they want along with Bailey or Cueto for Bedard. The rankings at this point in time are relatively meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Me too. That still begs the question, what happens to the Middle infield with Francisco manning third base we have Valaika, Turner and Frazier for 2 spots.
    Figure out which position suits Frazier the best for the future, and work the other three guys around him. Frazier is miles ahead of the other three in terms of future importance to the organization. I wouldn't be shocked to see Francisco end up in the OF.
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    Re: Taking stock of the minor leaguers heading into 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    a lot of them-- I don't really care whom. My basic take is that number 6 on your list is not obviously more talented than the player who's probably number 46. That's both good and bad. It's bad if you fall in love with your rankings... but it's good if you don't and are willing to give other teams many choices for whom they would like to trade.

    you'd probably want to keep Rosales-- only RHed bat-- any CFer, and LHed pitcher. Otherwise, though...
    The #6 guy is WAY more talented than the #46 guy. Todd Frazier is the Reds #6 rated guy by Baseball America. Do you really think he isn't more talented than someone like a Denis Phipps type?


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