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    The REAL Marvin Lewis...

    'It's time to blow the whole thing up'
    Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:06 AM
    By Bill Rabinowitz

    The Columbus Dispatch

    CINCINNATI -- Little rides on the Bengals' season finale Sunday against the Miami Dolphins, a huge disappointment for a team that entered 2007 with lofty expectations.

    One person had a feeling from the start that the Bengals had problems that could doom them. That person, coach Marvin Lewis, sat down for an exclusive interview to discuss what went wrong this season and what needs to change to prevent continuing disappointment.

    Question: Was there a sense even before training camp that things weren't looking good?

    Answer: It's been (that way) all the time. We've struggled with guys who are too much worried about what they make or what the next guy makes. That's hard to overcome, and we've had to deal with it for two years now. Until they get it figured out that that's not the way winning teams operate…

    When you sign a contract, you sign a contract. You sign to play. You have two choices -- either to play or not to play. When you get in the way of other people as you are constantly talking about that and not moving on professionally, (it's harmful).

    When you sign a contract, the next deal signed after yours makes yours somewhat outdated. That's the way it is.

    Q: Has that really pulled this team apart?

    A: It weighs on players because they can't get above that. Guys who are not -- how do I want to say that? -- people who aren't mentally strong enough to understand and deal with that, it's always an underlying factor in everything, instead of moving forward and trying to figure out how you become a champion. You're too worried about, "Am I putting myself out there? Am I putting myself at risk?"

    Q: I haven't gotten the sense that many players have whined publicly about contracts.

    A: They do it within the confines of their groups. Instead of spending extra time on trying to figure out how to be the very, very best and how to know the opponent the very, very best, they worry about petty things, things that don't really matter. There should not be a concern of, "How quickly can I get out of here (today)?" or, "Am I the last guy in here?" (They should think), "I should be the first guy in and the last to leave every night."

    In the steps of building a football team, that's where you've got to be. At some point, you have to swallow and understand that this is about knowledge and understanding and being on the same page constantly. The inability to make critical plays comes from that, not doing the one or two things extra just when it's easy and convenient, but all the time.

    Q: Are the injuries you've had a legitimate reason for your struggles or a convenient excuse?

    A: It's an excuse. Your good players have to get you over the hump. You have to find a way to win the game at Cleveland, win the game at Seattle, win the game at Kansas City. Then you suck it up and regroup and find a way to win the next one until you get the guys back and healthy, which happened.

    Q: Is there anything about your own coaching that you haven't handled very well?

    A: Oh, we haven't handled anything very good. We're not good enough. We haven't coached anything very good. We've turned the football over too many times. We've allowed explosive plays early on defense. We haven't played good enough on third down on either side of the football. We've had receivers drop passes. We haven't run the football effectively enough. We haven't handled anything very well.

    Q: Five years as coach probably puts you in the top half of the league in terms of longevity. Are you as energized as ever?

    A: Oh yeah, I am. Every year is a new year and provides new chal-lenges. They all become the history of the last one. You've got to use it and move forward and move on. It's time for us to blow the whole thing up and start from scratch. We need to empty these shelves, empty these offices and start from scratch.

    Q: Really?

    A: Yeah, because we haven't been good enough. We're not going to sit here and be complacent with it, and guys have to understand that. It hasn't been good enough.

    Q: When you say blow it up…

    A: We've got to start from scratch. We have to blow it up and empty everything. Just like new people walking in this door and go from there. That's the only way we're going to shake away from the cobwebs. We've established a certain plateau or work ethic and we've got to move beyond that.

    Q: But an outsider would look at this team and say this is not a roster devoid of talent.

    A: Every NFL team has talent.

    Q: Do you even want to come back next year?

    A: Yeah. I'm excited about next year. I'm excited about our young players. I'm excited about the players who've shown they can play productive and winning NFL football, and I think they are. I think there'll be a changing and a new breeze, a refreshing breeze blow through. We'll have an opportunity through the draft and we'll probably pick and choose some other guys through our attrition to help retool.

    But we've got to move forward and move out any malcontent that's still here or (giving) just average effort. Guys who can't make productive plays on and off the field we have to move (beyond).

    Q: How much do you have to change the culture?

    A: It's not a culture. It's just making sure nobody can hide behind the door. As the broom comes through and sweeps, you have to make sure guys don't hide behind the door a little bit and you miss them. When you don't win all the time, you're able to take a hard look at guys and know who's really on your side. That's the one thing that's helpful. You kind of knew who your fighters are.

    Q: There's been much speculation about the Bengals having a general manager to oversee player acquisitions. How would you feel about that?

    A: Those decisions aren't my responsibility. None of the speculations you refer to have been spurred by anything I've ever said.

    Q: How likely are the two coordinators (Bob Bratkowski on offense and Chuck Bresnahan on defense) to be back?

    A: I'm not going to talk about stuff like this.

    Q: About some of the players. Obviously, the franchise guy is Carson Palmer, and he hasn't been the Pro Bowler he was last year.

    A: I don't know that. He's had some games when he hasn't played quite as well, but he's also had to deal with some guys around him who haven't played as well.

    Q: Is right tackle Willie Anderson definitely going to be back next year?

    A: Willie has a contract for next year, yes.

    Q: That's not what I asked you.

    A: Nobody's definitely anywhere.

    Q: But based on your endorsement of his play against the Browns on Sunday…

    A: He played well. But we've got to see where the football team is. Part of being an NFL player is it's the whole thing. It's not one guy.

    Q: Rudi Johnson is averaging 2.9 yards per carry. Sunday against the Browns, it looked like Kenny Watson made yards that Rudi hasn't made.

    A: I don't know that. There was a lot more opportunity there to make yards on Sunday. Many guys would have made a lot of yards on Sunday. Running backs make yardage because you block folks.

    Q: Do you have any regrets about giving Rudi as many carries as you gave him?

    A: No, not at all.

    Q: Much has been made of Chad Johnson supposedly being a distraction. Is it legitimate or is it outsiders making things up?

    A: It's outsiders making up things. They like to have fun.

    Q: So you have no issues with him?

    A: It's an issue every time we drop a pass. Every time we don't run a route at the right depth, I have an issue. If he's not getting the safety blocked when he's supposed to get the safety blocked, then we've got an issue.

    Q: Are you concerned about Chad's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, pulling shenanigans in the offseason?

    A: Chad has a contract for a long time. (The club has an option through 2011.) That's all I'm saying. Longer than mine.

    Q: You have several other guys whose contracts are up -- defensive end Justin Smith, safety Madieu Williams, linebacker Landon Johnson and guard Stacy Andrews, among others. How much of a priority is getting them re-signed?

    A: Some of them will get re-signed. Some of them won't. That's part of the business.

    Q: Where does Chris Henry fit in next year, or does he?

    A: I don't know.

    Q: Have you seen enough maturity and development in him to think he has turned the page?

    A: He has been fine off the field, but I'm not sure he's done enough on the field as a football player. In his attention to detail in meetings, in his attention to detail on the field, he's not where he needs to be.

    Q: You could do no wrong in this town for a couple of years. Now the honeymoon is over, as you're aware. How do you deal with that?

    A: That's part of human nature. I don't have to worry about that. The only person I have to please is the person I work for. That's really all that matters.

    Everybody wants to win. We're better now than when we started. The only way we can go and do it is when next season rolls around.

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    Re: The REAL Marvin Lewis...

    A little too late to play the "If guys aren't gonna give 100% they wont be on my team" card isn't it?
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    I like what I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonny View Post
    A little too late to play the "If guys aren't gonna give 100% they wont be on my team" card isn't it?
    Never too late for that. And I have a feeling that there is never a time where someone doesn't say "why now, why not before, why not later."

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    At least he admits this team needs major surgery... if Chuck Bresnahan still has a job next season, we'll know it was nothing but lip service.

    Most of us on the board knew that Bresnahan needed his pink slip... in typical Bengal fashion, they make a move 1-2 seasons later than they should.
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    I'm all for cleaning house in Bengals land and ITA that Bresnahan has to go. This team does have a lot of talent but if there are guys on the team who are more concerned with other things than playing well, then they need to go and we need to get the guys in there who will actually give 110% because that will make the team better. I don't really know what's all going on with the Bengals or the entire reason why this year sucked so badly, but something has to be done this offseason so that next year is better.
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    The problem with the Bengals aren't that they don't have talent. They have a lot of really talented players. The problem is that in the positions where they don't have that really talented player, they are absolutely awful. This is Mike Brown's blueprint. He thinks if you get a Carson palmer, Chad Johnson, Rudi Johnson, a couple of good defensive players, that should be enough. Consistently good teams have at least adequate players in all positions. This is what Mike Brown doesn't get.
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    Pretty funny how Marvin side-stepped the General Manager question. CYA all the way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: The REAL Marvin Lewis...

    Marvin Lewis is full of crap IMO. He talks about accountability, but you don't ever see it with his teams. And when is he going to hold himself accountable for the mistakes he makes? I'll believe his "blowing up" when it happens.

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    I dont get it--I just heard 2-3 days ago on WLW on one of their Marvin Lewis updates- Marvin himself saying dont expect many changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUTLER REDSFAN View Post
    I dont get it--I just heard 2-3 days ago on WLW on one of their Marvin Lewis updates- Marvin himself saying dont expect many changes.
    I wonder if he said that to the Cincinnati media just because they like to spend a lot of time portraying their own speculation as if it was something they heard from the inside. Notice that this article is coming from the Columbus Dispatch, where Marvin doesn't have the same animosity he has toward Chick Ludwig with the Dayton Daily News, the guys in Cincinnati, or even the team's own Geoff Hobson, who Marvin has so much as said is often woefully uninformed.
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    Answer: It's been (that way) all the time. We've struggled with guys who are too much worried about what they make or what the next guy makes. That's hard to overcome, and we've had to deal with it for two years now. Until they get it figured out that that's not the way winning teams operate…

    When you sign a contract, you sign a contract. You sign to play. You have two choices -- either to play or not to play. When you get in the way of other people as you are constantly talking about that and not moving on professionally, (it's harmful).

    When you sign a contract, the next deal signed after yours makes yours somewhat outdated. That's the way it is.

    Q: Has that really pulled this team apart?

    A: It weighs on players because they can't get above that. Guys who are not -- how do I want to say that? -- people who aren't mentally strong enough to understand and deal with that, it's always an underlying factor in everything, instead of moving forward and trying to figure out how you become a champion. You're too worried about, "Am I putting myself out there? Am I putting myself at risk?"

    Q: I haven't gotten the sense that many players have whined publicly about contracts.

    A: They do it within the confines of their groups. Instead of spending extra time on trying to figure out how to be the very, very best and how to know the opponent the very, very best, they worry about petty things, things that don't really matter. There should not be a concern of, "How quickly can I get out of here (today)?" or, "Am I the last guy in here?" (They should think), "I should be the first guy in and the last to leave every night."
    I would love to know who he may be referring to.

    This isn't the first time, during a media interview, where Marvin has alluded to a selfish "me" attitude that pervades this team. So it has to be an important issue with him that needs to be addressed if they want to turn this thing around.

    Now would those who have struggled this year, maybe with injury, and not put up the numbers expected of them, be the ones complaining about their contracts/salary? They wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on IMO.

    It would have to be that player(s) who have, regardless of the team's woes this year, put up the numbers/performance, and feel they are being somehow under appreciated.

    I'll go out on a limb and say it probably isn't a guy like Palmer.

    The list narrows.

    The thing is though.....

    Marvin Lewis was given a lot of credit, and rightfully so, for "cleaning house" and changing the losing culture the pervaded this franchise for the 90's.

    So he also has to take responsibility for creating the current culture and climate that he is now complaining about.

    And yes, if he feels so, it may very well take another "cleaning of the house" to change a different type of culture that has developed from the one before.
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    He talks about accountability,
    Yet when asked a direct question about his coaching:

    Q: Is there anything about your own coaching that you haven't handled very well?
    He never uses the word "I" one time:

    Oh, we haven't handled anything very good. We're not good enough. We haven't coached anything very good.
    And then he turns the blame to the players:

    We've turned the football over too many times. We've allowed explosive plays early on defense. We haven't played good enough on third down on either side of the football. We've had receivers drop passes. We haven't run the football effectively enough.
    These are things the Bengals have done poorly, yes, but dropping a pass is not mostly coaching, it's the player.

    How about taking responsibility for his shoddy clock management?

    Is anything this guy's fault?

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    He is still straddling the fence. If he is *really* going to do something, he names names, he points fingers, he is explicit about what went wrong, he cleans house, he gets rid of the bad citizens, and he *leads*.

    Right now, he's just whispering in some out-of-towner's ear. And why he tells the local press one thing and then other reporters different stuff is garbage.

    I'm starting to lose respect for the man.

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    I'm just wondering why if house cleaning is really what needs to happen, why doesn't it start with him?

    He's the one who put all the people in place that need to be thrown out.

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