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    January GM

    Ok, well we now know that Josh Hamilton is gone, and Edinson Volquez is here. I would LOVE for the Reds to trade for Erik Bedard, but it now looks as if that possibility is dead. Given these two developments, my question is this- what do you do now?
    (please no more trade for Bedard suggestions)

    Here would be my plan:

    First, re-sign Adam Dunn. Offer him four years, $60-70 MM. Bottom line is this- without Hamilton and Griffey Jr. going forward, Dunn's bat is mandatory to this offense for the long term.

    Second, make a play for either Chris Capuano or Anthony Reyes. They were both rumored to be on the trading block. Both pitchers have decent peripherals, and are young enough that they could have breakout seasons. I much prefer either of these options to signing a retread veteran like Livan Hernandez or Jon Leiber. It would boost the 2008 rotation, coddle the young arms by letting them ripen in the minors, yet also have the upside of being rotation stalwarts for the long term. I would prefer Capuano because he is left-handed and has had sustained success at the big level, but I would make a play for whichever one required less of a return in a trade. Damn this fear of trading within the division!

    I would then have Bailey spend at least the first two months of 2008 refining his command in Louisville. If an emergency starter was needed with the big club, I would call Maloney up for that duty. Cueto I would keep in Louisville until the ASBreak, at which point I would bring him up to pitch out of the pen for the remainder of the year.

    Finally, I would see if the O's would be willing to dump Ramon Hernandez's salary. If they would give him up for say, a prospect or two in our 10-20 range, I would jump at the opportunity. I would take the money that many have earmarked for a veteran pitcher (like Bedard, Hernandez, or Leiber) and put it towards Hernandez's contract, in which he'll make $8MM per in 2008 and 2009, with a team option for 2010. The O's may be open to dealing Hernandez because of their current rebuilding as well as the desire to clear the way for Matt Weiters.

    Then, I would enter 2008 with a roster like this:

    CF Bruce
    2B Phillips
    LF Dunn
    RF Griffey, Jr.
    3B Encarnacion
    1B Votto
    C Hernandez
    SS Gonzalez

    BN Ross or Valentin
    BN Hatteberg
    BN Keppinger
    BN Freel
    BN Hopper

    SP Harang
    SP Arroyo
    SP Capuano/Reyes
    SP Belisle
    SP Volquez

    RP Bray
    RP Stanton
    RP Coutlangous
    RP Burton
    RP Weathers
    CL Cordero

    Thoughts?
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    Re: January GM

    1. Buy Adam Dunn or Ken Griffey, Jr. a 1B mitt. I know Dunn already owns one, but getting a gift is always a nice gesture.

    2. Refresh Dunn how to use the 1B mitt, or teach Griffey how to use the 1B mitt. Once one of them show ability to use, proceed to #3.

    3. Trade Votto, Bailey, Stubbs and any other minor league age arm not named Volquez or Cueto for Bedard. Politely ask Baltimore what it might take for them to include Hernandez, but this is not a sticking point. If Hernandez is not available with Bedard for what we can feasibly offer, then proceed with Bedard only.

    4. If #2 does not come to fruition, and #3 doesn't happen due to #2 not happening, then suck it up and call Oakland about Joe Blanton.

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    Re: January GM

    1. Sign Kevin Mench to play 1B/LF/RF vs lefties. Plus gives us OF depth if Jr goes down.

    2. Trying to pry Hernandez away from the Os would be great.
    Say we give them Javy to be their #2 catcher ( letting them start their rookie catcher ), plus a 'B' prospect plus the salary relief they get by trading Hernandez. Works out for both teams. Hernandez/Ross is WAY better than Ross/Javy.

    3. Signing Dunn is key now that they traded Hamilton.

    4. Find any halfway decent starter/swingman in case the 3 young starters aren't ready. Note: Livan is not halfway decent, he is terrible.
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    Re: January GM

    If I'm the GM.. and can't trade for Bedard I would:

    Trades:

    Lecure, Freel, and Cash to Cleveland for Cliff Lee

    Bailey, Maloney, Stubbs, Pelland, and Fransisco to Tampa Bay for Scott Kazmir

    Signings:

    Corey Patterson - CF 1 yr./ 3 million w/ option for 2009

    Marcus Giles - UT/Bench 2 yrs./ 4 million

    Freddy Garcia - SP 1 yr./ 1 million + Incentives and option for 2009 (Won't pitch till at least June.. Deal based on Mark Prior's contract)

    25 Man Roster

    Rotation:

    Harang
    Kazmir
    Arroyo
    Lee
    Belisle

    Bullpen:

    Gardner
    Bray
    Stanton
    Coffey
    Weathers
    Burton
    Cordero

    Starters:

    C - Ross
    1st - Votto
    2nd - Phillips
    SS - Gonzalez
    3rd - Encarnacion
    RF - Griffey
    CF - Patterson
    LF - Dunn

    Bench:

    Hopper
    Keppinger
    Hatteberg
    Giles
    Valentin
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    Re: January GM

    I want Mench and Ensberg both signed for the bench.

    I'd talk the Yankees about a deal for Hatteberg.

    I'd explore options on picking up Blanton from OAK.

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    Re: January GM

    I'd try and put Colon's big back end in the back end of the rotation.

    Cueto would be given consideration for the pen.

    I'd talk to Beane about Street. It's too bad that giving up EE and taking on Chavez's contract just wouldn't make sense for the Reds.
    Last edited by jojo; 01-03-2008 at 09:20 PM.
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    Re: January GM

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I'd try and put Colon's big back end in the back end of the rotation.
    Yep. I like how you think.

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    Re: January GM

    Stay far away from Anthony Reyes. He is horrible.
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    Re: January GM

    Here's a thought stimulated by recent reports that Keppinger will be the first base platoon solution.....

    Work out a trade with Seattle where the Reds get George Sherrill for their pen and in turn take on Sexson's salary for his final year as a right handed power-hitting platoon partner at first base. The Ms would get Freel (and the Reds would save the remaining $7M of his contract to help mitigate taking on Sexson's).

    The Reds would get a high leverage bullpen arm in Sherrill who is absolute death to lefties though he really doesn't have platoon splits so he could be a legitimate set up man or an option to close if Cordero needed a day off or got hurt. While dumping Sexson's salary would be the reason the Ms would do the deal, he'd also be useful to the Reds as a right-handed power bat that not only is due for a bounce back (yep a regression to better performance) but would only require a one year commitment.

    This would leave the Ms without a first baseman but they could move Ibanez to first. Freel would give them an additional outfielder (4th OFer or spot starter) that could help pick up the slack left by moving Ibanez.

    I doubt the Ms would do this because it doesn't make as much sense for them since they are in "win now" mode and seem to prefer the potential for Sexson's bat to rebound but it's an idea for how the Reds could dramatically upgrade their pen.
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    Re: January GM

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Here's a thought stimulated by recent reports that Keppinger will be the first base platoon solution.....

    Work out a trade with Seattle where the Reds get George Sherrill for their pen and in turn take on Sexson's salary for his final year as a right handed power-hitting platoon partner at first base. The Ms would get Freel (and the Reds would save the remaining $7M of his contract to help mitigate taking on Sexson's).

    The Reds would get a high leverage bullpen arm in Sherrill who is absolute death to lefties though he really doesn't have platoon splits so he could be a legitimate set up man or an option to close if Cordero needed a day off or got hurt. While dumping Sexson's salary would be the reason the Ms would do the deal, he'd also be useful to the Reds as a right-handed power bat that not only is due for a bounce back (yep a regression to better performance) but would only require a one year commitment.

    This would leave the Ms without a first baseman but they could move Ibanez to first. Freel would give them an additional outfielder (4th OFer or spot starter) that could help pick up the slack left by moving Ibanez.

    I doubt the Ms would do this because it doesn't make as much sense for them since they are in "win now" mode and seem to prefer the potential for Sexson's bat to rebound but it's an idea for how the Reds could dramatically upgrade their pen.
    I love this post. Good outside-the-box thought as the M's would take a half-eaten ham sandwich for Sexson, even if the spicy mustard and bread weren't included. Sherrill is a superior target.

    I also like Lieber and to a lesser extent Colon as low-cost, short-term vets. Lieber's injury last season was a foot problem and his TJ surgery is almost a half-decade in the past. He also exhibits a trait I love in a starting pitcher: an extremely low BB rate. Lieber's career BB/9 is lower than that of Greg Maddux, y'all. Anyone who likes Belisle will like Lieber. I am less sure what Colon brings to the table at this stage, but I would applaud that move as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boognish View Post
    I love this post. Good outside-the-box thought as the M's would take a half-eaten ham sandwich for Sexson, even if the spicy mustard and bread weren't included. Sherrill is a superior target.

    I also like Lieber and to a lesser extent Colon as low-cost, short-term vets. Lieber's injury last season was a foot problem and his TJ surgery is almost a half-decade in the past. He also exhibits a trait I love in a starting pitcher: an extremely low BB rate. Lieber's career BB/9 is lower than that of Greg Maddux, y'all. Anyone who likes Belisle will like Lieber. I am less sure what Colon brings to the table at this stage, but I would applaud that move as well.
    I'm open to Colon or Lieber as back end upgrades too. Lieber might be willing to sign a 1 yr deal but I doubt Colon would settle for less than a 2 yr commitment. Both probably represent upgrades over the back end of '07 and I'm a fan of anything that would allow Homer to stay in Louisville and give the Reds the option to use Cueto from their pen.
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    Re: January GM

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Here's a thought stimulated by recent reports that Keppinger will be the first base platoon solution.....

    Work out a trade with Seattle where the Reds get George Sherrill for their pen and in turn take on Sexson's salary for his final year as a right handed power-hitting platoon partner at first base. The Ms would get Freel (and the Reds would save the remaining $7M of his contract to help mitigate taking on Sexson's).

    The Reds would get a high leverage bullpen arm in Sherrill who is absolute death to lefties though he really doesn't have platoon splits so he could be a legitimate set up man or an option to close if Cordero needed a day off or got hurt. While dumping Sexson's salary would be the reason the Ms would do the deal, he'd also be useful to the Reds as a right-handed power bat that not only is due for a bounce back (yep a regression to better performance) but would only require a one year commitment.

    This would leave the Ms without a first baseman but they could move Ibanez to first. Freel would give them an additional outfielder (4th OFer or spot starter) that could help pick up the slack left by moving Ibanez.

    I doubt the Ms would do this because it doesn't make as much sense for them since they are in "win now" mode and seem to prefer the potential for Sexson's bat to rebound but it's an idea for how the Reds could dramatically upgrade their pen.
    I like this idea. The Reds need a LH that can act as set-up man if my Weathers fears come true or just be the top lefty even if Weathers is flawless in the 8th inning. Though Sexson is quite pricey, he would help in Cincy. Heck it may even be the thing needed to free up Votto for a pitching deal. If the $ are too much, maybe the Ms would take Stanton as a replacement lefty and to even the $ a bit more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I like this idea. The Reds need a LH that can act as set-up man if my Weathers fears come true or just be the top lefty even if Weathers is flawless in the 8th inning. Though Sexson is quite pricey, he would help in Cincy. Heck it may even be the thing needed to free up Votto for a pitching deal. If the $ are too much, maybe the Ms would take Stanton as a replacement lefty and to even the $ a bit more.
    Well the Ms did sign Rick White in '07 to bolster their pen during the stretch run.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I'm open to Colon or Lieber as back end upgrades too. Lieber might be willing to sign a 1 yr deal but I doubt Colon would settle for less than a 2 yr commitment. Both probably represent upgrades over the back end of '07 and I'm a fan of anything that would allow Homer to stay in Louisville and give the Reds the option to use Cueto from their pen.
    I'd take Leiber but be a little uncomfortable about the chasm from Arroyo to the bottom of the rotation but I agree that the Reds need to avoid having Bailey, Cueto or Maloney in the rotation.

    Colon had a torn rotator cuff and had Bicep, Tricep and Elbow issues last season. I'm a believer that rotator cuffs are things that never can be restored and guys who have that injury are likely to end-up with another major injury even if the cuff holds up over a season or two. For example, Eddie Guardado's cuff may have lead to his Tommy John Surgery. Colon may be following a similar path. I'm all for getting a lottery ticket or two for the rotation, but I fear that a guy like Colon will be signed and the rotation will be declared fixed as a result when in actuality, guys like Colon should be treated as if they won't be around at all and if they surprise, deal with it then.
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    Re: January GM

    Ok. Its a slow boring day so here is a proposal that might make some sense for the Reds and the A's given their current mode.

    Encarnacion, Maloney, Stubbs, Francisco and Coutlangus for Joe Blanton and Alan Embree.

    The A's add more depth for the future get a good 3B that they can flip in a year or two or maybe build around when they deal Chavez and a LH that can replace Embree.

    The Reds gets a #3 starter and a set up caliber lefty which may actually be a worse need. Bailey and Cueto in reserve/development at AAA.
    Last edited by mth123; 01-06-2008 at 07:55 PM.
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