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  • Brett Bartles

    2 2.38%
  • Scott Carroll

    3 3.57%
  • Tzu-Kai Chui

    1 1.19%
  • Chris Dickerson

    21 25.00%
  • Richie Gardner

    9 10.71%
  • Rafael Gonzalez

    1 1.19%
  • Sean Henry

    0 0%
  • Danny Herrera

    2 2.38%
  • Evan Hildenbrandt

    2 2.38%
  • Paul Janish

    6 7.14%
  • Derrik Lutz

    7 8.33%
  • Juan Rafael

    0 0%
  • Ramon Ramirez

    3 3.57%
  • Justin Reed

    6 7.14%
  • Justin Turner

    19 22.62%
  • Phil Valiquette

    1 1.19%
  • Other (please specify)

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Thread: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

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    Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    Vote for the player who you think is the Reds #25 prospect (the best prospect who is not yet on the list). We will go with this as far as you guys want to take it.

    I will post a new list every 2 days with 10-15 options to vote on.

    If you feel like making an argument on why a guy should be voted here, feel free to vote and state why you voted for that player.

    If there is someone that is not currently listed as an option to vote on, vote for 'other' then just state who you want to vote for in the thread.

    If there is anyone you would like to see as an option on the next poll, just say so and if they garner enough support, they will be placed on the next poll. Guys with the lowest amount of votes will usually be removed for the next few guys who were talked about in the previous thread.

    Player(s) who recieved 0 votes last round and will go back into rotation - Jose Castro, Zach Cozart, Chris Heisey and Jordan Smith.

    Back onto the poll: Sean Henry and Juan Rafael.


    Prospect 1 - Jay Bruce
    Prospect 2 - Homer Bailey
    Prospect 3 - Johnny Cueto
    Prospect 4 - Joey Votto
    Prospect 5 - Todd Frazier
    Prospect 6 - Drew Stubbs
    Prospect 7 - Matt Maloney
    Prospect 8 - Josh Roenicke
    Prospect 9 - Travis Wood
    Prospect 10 - Devin Mesoraco
    Prospect 11 - Kyle Lotzkar
    Prospect 12 - Danny Dorn
    Prospect 13 - Sean Watson
    Prospect 14 - Carlos Fisher
    Prospect 15 - Juan Francisco
    Prospect 16 - Neftali Soto
    Prospect 17 - Brandon Waring
    Prospect 18 - Adam Rosales
    Prospect 19 - Tyler Pelland
    Prospect 20 - Daryl Thompson
    Prospect 21 - Pedro Viola
    Prospect 22 - Chris Valaika
    Prospect 23 - Sam Lecure
    Prospect 24 - Marcus McBeth

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    Once again, I'm going with Justin Turner.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    Justin Turner had a a good BA, a good OBP, and can steal a base. I'm going with him.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    Not saying that I would vote for him, but after the conversation last vote I'm surprised Fiorentino wasn't added...

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    I voted Turner although not real inspired at this point with what's left. There are some guys I don't know much about which could be a part of the issue.

    Doug could you please add Alexander Smit next go around, somehow I thought he had already been voted in but I guess not. IMO he should have already been in ahead of all these guys remaining.
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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    Quote Originally Posted by kheidg- View Post
    Not saying that I would vote for him, but after the conversation last vote I'm surprised Fiorentino wasn't added...
    Thats my bad.... but that is also why there is the other option. He will be added to the next one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    I voted Turner although not real inspired at this point with what's left. There are some guys I don't know much about which could be a part of the issue.

    Doug could you please add Alexander Smit next go around, somehow I thought he had already been voted in but I guess not. IMO he should have already been in ahead of all these guys remaining.
    He will be on.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    I'm voting for Reed, but I'm ok with Turner here. We know what kind of player he is, a leader, scrappy. He showed skills last year so he's ok at 25.

    As for Dickerson, though, he struck out 37 percent of the time as a veteran in AAA with a sub .800 OPS. In this day of 5-man benches and 12 pitchers, I don't know if he can stick in the majors as simply a defensive specialist outfielder. You'd love to see an athlete like Dickerson put it all together but he has to hit more.
    Last edited by Kc61; 01-07-2008 at 07:18 PM.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    I'll go with Ramon Ramirez. I liked what I saw of him in a Louisville archived game I watched, plus he really took off after he moved to the bullpen.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    Looking at the list 1-25, it will be interesting to see in 2 years, how many of these guys have made it or at least shown they WILL make it. IMO after the 1st 5, the list is a questionable as to where certain players belong #-wise. (A lot of voting from the heart). Outside of Dayton and Louisville, I wonder how many responders have actually seen players at Billings, Sarasota, Chattanooga play enough to be able to evaluate intangibles that might not show up on a stat sheet.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    I made an argument for Dickerson and my comp froze. The basic idea was the even if he's below replacement offensively, he'll still be above in defense.

    A comp is Corey Patterson who has similar defensive skills. Dickerson is better getting BBs but Patterson is better in power and SB by a slim margin. Dickerson's career OPS is .758 while Patterson's is .712 with a career 83 OPS+.

    Patterson has been good enough to be an everyday starter for his entire career. What makes Dickerson so bad that Patterson is considered a starter and Dickerson as a 5th OF at best. It's not the K rate.

    Dickerson won't make the team, yet Hopper is considered a 4th OF and many fans want him to start. Hopper has a .678 OPS compared to .758 for Dickerson. They both have the same speed and the same fielding ability.

    Dickerson is good enough to be a starter and not be a wasted roster spot. He might be a little below avg offensively, but well above defensively and could be an AVG CF.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    Quote Originally Posted by gedred69 View Post
    Looking at the list 1-25, it will be interesting to see in 2 years, how many of these guys have made it or at least shown they WILL make it. IMO after the 1st 5, the list is a questionable as to where certain players belong #-wise. (A lot of voting from the heart). Outside of Dayton and Louisville, I wonder how many responders have actually seen players at Billings, Sarasota, Chattanooga play enough to be able to evaluate intangibles that might not show up on a stat sheet.
    I have yet to vote for anyone who hasn't had success at AA. It is a long way from Billings to Cincinnati. Guys like Dickerson or Pelland may be role players at best in the bigs but they will get a shot and some of the guys already on our list will never see the bigs.
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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    I have yet to vote for anyone who hasn't had success at AA. It is a long way from Billings to Cincinnati. Guys like Dickerson or Pelland may be role players at best in the bigs but they will get a shot and some of the guys already on our list will never see the bigs.
    I agree with you, I think either Dickerson or Gardner are both good choices here...

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    Not ready to vote for him yet, but Craig Tatum is another name you might consider adding in the next couple of rounds

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    Quote Originally Posted by mlbfan30 View Post
    I made an argument for Dickerson and my comp froze. The basic idea was the even if he's below replacement offensively, he'll still be above in defense.

    A comp is Corey Patterson who has similar defensive skills. Dickerson is better getting BBs but Patterson is better in power and SB by a slim margin. Dickerson's career OPS is .758 while Patterson's is .712 with a career 83 OPS+.

    Patterson has been good enough to be an everyday starter for his entire career. What makes Dickerson so bad that Patterson is considered a starter and Dickerson as a 5th OF at best. It's not the K rate.

    Dickerson won't make the team, yet Hopper is considered a 4th OF and many fans want him to start. Hopper has a .678 OPS compared to .758 for Dickerson. They both have the same speed and the same fielding ability.

    Dickerson is good enough to be a starter and not be a wasted roster spot. He might be a little below avg offensively, but well above defensively and could be an AVG CF.
    That's why there is 2 sides to every coin, stats aren't enough to understand the differences in those 3 players. You have to look at why those guys are putting up the #'s that they are and how their deficiencies translate to the bigs, that is the scouting side of it.

    I don't know for sure about Corey Patterson but my guess is that his problem is something that can be fixed but he just hasn't been able to make the proper adjustments (i.e plate discipline, pitch recognition, holes in his swing etc.) for whatever reason. Whereas Dickerson's problem seem to be less overall defiencies but one big deficiency that cannot be corrected perse.

    It has been alledged at some point that Dickerson has below avg bat speed, and that my friend is a huge problem that cannot necc. be overcome by making some sort of adjustment. Sure he could likely minimize it by becoming ultra selective, being excellent with his pitch recognition, being extremely well prepared, keep his swing as short and compact as possible w/o losing too much pop and the like but he ultimately is handicapped to begin with.

    Hopper is similiar to Dickerson in that he lacks a certain talent which is raw power. However the difference is that Hopper doesn't necc. need power to be a productive piece of a puzzle and unlike Dickerson his talent can be improved albeit not by much. The thing about Hopper is that if he could sharpen some of his other skills (plate discipline) and work the count more and take some BB's he becomes even more valuable.

    One guy has below avg skills (Patterson), and the other (Dickerson) has below avg talent. Skills can be sharpened, talent is what it is. Hopper is sorta in between.
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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect vote #25

    Only 1 outfielder in the Reds system had more errors than Dickerson (11) and that was Szymanski (13). Hopper made 1 error in 190+ chances in the big leagues. I think I would take Hopper over Dickerson or Patterson.


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