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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski View Post
    I've never understood the hype around Cabrera. Not at all.
    I agree, I'd say mediocre at best. I think we are set with the OF and don't understand why we'd go after Cabrera. If that is the case we should've just kept Hamilton.

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Burton View Post
    I agree, I'd say mediocre at best. I think we are set with the OF and don't understand why we'd go after Cabrera. If that is the case we should've just kept Hamilton.
    We are not set with the OF. We have Dunn and Griffey not guaranteed past this year, and there is no guarantee either will be here in 2009. Jay Bruce can not start in 2 outfield positions simultaneously.

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by Bip Roberts View Post
    Yes hes never hit any of those marks in his career ever and he doesnt play great D, hes got a strong arm though
    he's 23. Thats like saying that since Homer Bailey has never had better than a 5.76 ERA he will never get any better than that...

    OK to make you guys happy I'll agree he doesn't play "great" CF defense... I'll settle on "very good"

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    We are not set with the OF. We have Dunn and Griffey not guaranteed past this year, and there is no guarantee either will be here in 2009. Jay Bruce can not start in 2 outfield positions simultaneously.
    EXACTLY
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Burton View Post
    I agree, I'd say mediocre at best. I think we are set with the OF and don't understand why we'd go after Cabrera. If that is the case we should've just kept Hamilton.
    We got Volquez for Hamilton. I'm not a huge Cabrera or Yankees fan, but I'm trying to get past that bias and just look at the numbers. If we can get Cabrera for a couple of B prospects such as the stated Dickerson and Fisher earlier, I'd be all for it!
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    he's 23. Thats like saying that since Homer Bailey has never had better than a 5.76 ERA he will never get any better than that...

    OK to make you guys happy I'll agree he doesn't play "great" CF defense... I'll settle on "very good"



    EXACTLY
    Im not only looking at his MLB career though. He never hit anything similar to that even in the minors

    and he doesnt even play very good D

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by Bip Roberts View Post
    Im not only looking at his MLB career though. He never hit anything similar to that even in the minors

    and he doesnt even play very good D
    The Cabrera minor league numbers do worry me a bit, but I have confidence in those 2006 Yankees stats and the fact that he was only 21 at the time.

    28 FRAR in CF, which is 13 above average, and equates to about one win?

    Other Top CF's FRAR in 2007:
    Torii Hunter 16
    Carlos Beltran 28
    Grady Sizemore 12
    Curtis Granderson 40
    Andruw Jones 27
    Vernon Wells 13
    Aaron Rowand 24
    Coco Crisp 43
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    "Jay Bruce can not start in 2 outfield positions simultaneously."

    I wouldn't be so sure..

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by BearcatShane View Post
    "Jay Bruce can not start in 2 outfield positions simultaneously."

    I wouldn't be so sure..
    I thought the same thing
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Cabrera couldnt slug what you think is reasonable in his minor league career what proof is there that in he majors hes going to just gain power against better pitching thats in the majors?

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by Bip Roberts View Post
    Cabrera couldnt slug what you think is reasonable in his minor league career what proof is there that in he majors hes going to just gain power against better pitching thats in the majors?
    there have been plenty of players that developed power after not showing it in the minors, especially foreign born players like melky that were like 20. And he already has proven himself in the majors, in 2006!
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    there have been plenty of players that developed power after not showing it in the minors, especially foreign born players like melky that were like 20. And he already has proven himself in the majors, in 2006!
    ok and in 2007 he proved himself to have a fluke 2006

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by Bip Roberts View Post
    ok and in 2007 he proved himself to have a fluke 2006
    or 2007 was the fluke? He was 22?

    By the way- Melky's range factor was better than pretty much every CF last year- it was .01 less than Curtis Granderson!
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Year Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS SB% BB K BA OBP SLG TB SH IBB HBP GDP OPS
    2005 NYA AL 6 19 19 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 N/A 0 2 .211 .211 .211 4 0 0 0 0 .421
    2006 NYA AL 130 524 460 75 129 26 2 7 50 12 5 70.6% 56 59 .280 .360 .391 180 5 3 2 9 .752
    2007 NYA AL 150 612 545 66 149 24 8 8 73 13 5 72.2% 43 68 .273 .327 .391 213 10 0 5 14 .718

    Year Tm Lg RC GPA P/PA LD% BA/BIP GB% IF/F HR/F BA/RISP Clutch
    2005 NYA AL 0 .147 2.6 18.8% .235 37.5% N/A 0.0% .000 -0.8
    2006 NYA AL 71 .267 3.7 17.2% .309 49.5% 12.9% 5.3% .305 1.9
    2007 NYA AL 71 .247 3.7 19.7% .295 51.2% 11.6% 5.7% .272 -0.9
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    need moar spaces


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