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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    I think a .300/.370/.435 is reasonable for Cabrera. That sounds good with some great CF defense for cheap!
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Whos going to provide the great CF D?

    Also I dont think reasonable is the correct term. Maybe more like unreasonable

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by Bip Roberts View Post
    Whos going to provide the great CF D?

    Also I dont think reasonable is the correct term. Maybe more like unreasonable
    Name P Age AVG OBP SLG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS
    Melky Cabrera# cf 23 .286 .352 .419 159 580 83 166 29 6 12 89 59 65 13 4
    ZiPS seems to pretty much agree. He's only 23 so there is still room for improvement...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I think a .300/.370/.435 is reasonable for Cabrera. That sounds good with some great CF defense for cheap!
    If that was reasonable for Cabrera, he wouldn't be on the market. I don't think he can ever put up that line, even in GABP. And his defense is indefensible.
    Pathei mathos...

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by isaiahbarney View Post
    If that was reasonable for Cabrera, he wouldn't be on the market. I don't think he can ever put up that line, even in GABP. And his defense is indefensible.
    28 FRAR?
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    28 FRAR?
    That means that according to one defensive metric he was average to slightly-above-average in the Yankees 2007 CF. FWIW, he hasn't faired nearly as well in LF and RF (though with an admittedly small sample size in RF).
    Pathei mathos...

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Last year he was 28 runs better than the replacement CF- pretty good!
    I said average. Replacement is different than average.



    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I think a .300/.370/.435 is reasonable for Cabrera. That sounds good with some great CF defense for cheap!
    He's never even hit above .280 and his lifetime mark is .275
    He's never had a season above .360 OBP and his lifetime is .340 SLG
    He's never hit above .400 SLG and has a lifetime .388 SLG

    Are you going to say that you reasonably think he can outperform everything he's ever done. His SLG has been exactly .391 each season. He also declined in OBP by .033 last year. What makes him suddenly do his best ever in everything he does.

    Also his CF range is not above avg for a CF. To think he's a great CF is just wrong. His arm is above avg tho.

    He's a .280/.340/.400 hitter and with avg CF defense.
    He's just an average player

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    I tend to want to stay away from Yankee-hyped players. The Reds have had a few deals with the Yankees over the last 20 years and the only one I can think of that turned out well for the Reds was getting Hal Morris. Brandon Claussen busted in the Aaron Boone trade. Paul O'Neill for Roberto (call me Bobby) Kelly was really bad for us considering what O'Neill did for the Yanks. There were many minor trades and I'd prefer not to deal with the Yankees. Bad karma.

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    I wouldn't see this happening now that Cameron is going to Milwaukee. I would've liked to have seen the Reds acquire Melky Cabrera. Well, at least Krivsky got Jolbert Cabrera. Better than no Cabrera at all...
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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by mlbfan30 View Post
    I said average. Replacement is different than average.





    He's never even hit above .280 and his lifetime mark is .275
    He's never had a season above .360 OBP and his lifetime is .340 SLG
    He's never hit above .400 SLG and has a lifetime .388 SLG

    Are you going to say that you reasonably think he can outperform everything he's ever done. His SLG has been exactly .391 each season. He also declined in OBP by .033 last year. What makes him suddenly do his best ever in everything he does.

    Also his CF range is not above avg for a CF. To think he's a great CF is just wrong. His arm is above avg tho.

    He's a .280/.340/.400 hitter and with avg CF defense.
    He's just an average player
    So he can't improve at age 23? He can't return to the patience at the plate he displayed in 2006? He can't hit better in the National League Central? He can't hit for more power in GABP? He can't get a bit luckier next year (.295 BABIP, 19.7 LD%)?
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    In his first year of extended action-2006- .280/.360/.391 in 524 PA. So I say he improves his contact to become a .300 hitter, which naturally brings him up to at least a .370 OBP, and then he slugs .435 because of the raised avg and he now calls GABP home instead of Yankee Stadium... thats unreasonable???
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Yes hes never hit any of those marks in his career ever and he doesnt play great D, hes got a strong arm though

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    I wonder if the Yankees will still trade Cabrera now that they lost Cameron to the Brewers.

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    Quote Originally Posted by BearcatShane View Post
    Yea, would you give up Dickerson and Fisher for him?
    Only if they took Stanton and Castro too

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    Re: ORG: Reds in on Melky Cabrera

    I've never understood the hype around Cabrera. Not at all.
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