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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    It just drives me crazy that anyone thinks he's the problem with the Bengals.
    As I stated before - many feel he is a problem. Not the problem. There is a difference.

    You are always going to have huge egos on a professional sports team. It's the job of management to keep it in check and to put together a team that meshes.
    How do you do that (keep it in check)? That seems like an impossible task with these types of guy (personalities). No matter how much you do, it's never enough. They are like spoiled children who need to be placated? Why should that responsibility be put on the FO or coaching staff, regardless of who it is, to somehow find a way to keep that selfish, me-first player happy? Again - it's not about the endzone celebrations or attention getting antics some define as having fun and being entertaining; but when an obviously high-strung and emotional player, when things aren't going his way or the team is losing, is having confrontations with other players and the coaching staff in the locker room and on the sidelines.

    No one is going to convince me that those latter items aren't a problem, and can prove to be a distraction for a team. It was with T.O., Moss, and Keyshawn - but it's somehow different with Chad?

    TO and Randy Moss have both been labeled far bigger cancers than Chad Johnson, and they both play for winning football teams now.
    Cancer is cancer. But Chad, in the past, has bragged about these guys, as well as his cuz, and wanting to emulate them. All talented guys and solid receivers. But not team players IMO. And that is evident by the fact they kept moving from team to team due to their me-first personalities.
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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    Yeah right. Chad has been bashed all year by "fans" and media. There are about 50 players on this squad that deserve blame before Chad and yet he gets all of the blame. I don't blame him for speaking up.

    Too many people that follow football these days have little knowledge of the game. I've got tickets in the end zone and I'm about to let them go. It's amazing how quick people are willing to turn on players like Chad when things get rough. Fans should be willing to stick behind Chad when things are rough and not dog him when the rest of the team fails.

    It's the same sad story in Cincinnati. Fans in this city continue to bash the best players and ruin the best sports figures we have in the name of "hustle" and "attitude". Cincinnati sports fans are still in the Pete Rose mindset for players and it shows with the way Griffey and Chad Johnson have been treated at times in Cincy. Talents like this don't come along often and instead of being supported they are trashed at any sign of failure from the team. Same ol Cincy.




















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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    When you act like an ass after scoring a touchdown while your TEAM is completely out of the playoff picture, expect some flack to come your way.

    Completely forgotten about his hissy fit during the playoff loss to the Steelers?

    It's called acting like a professional.

    Teams adopt the mindset of their best players. Look no further than Indianapolis or New England.
    The Bengals problems run way deeper than Chad Johnson. Our best player isn't the reason we can't get to the playoffs. We have no character, no discipline, nothing. Yes, some of that falls on Chad, but most of it falls on the coaching staff, and people like Odell Thurman and Chris Henry, etc. etc. The Bengals are a sick, sick franchise, in need of a major exorcism

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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

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    when was this one?
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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    Are we talking about Chad again?

    Chad Johnson may be a problem; but he's not the problem. It's a culmination of several things IMO. Many of which have been sighted throughout the course of this season (i.e. defense, injuries, lack of discipline). So there is no need to rehash all of that.

    When I hear Lewis, as well as some of the players, talking publically about selfishness, and they define that selfishness as guys complaining about their playing time, not getting the ball enough, or not getting paid what they think (contracts) - and these are all things that the above have alluded to and it has come out during the course of this past season - then where there is smoke there is fire. You can't simply shrug your shoulders and blow it off when the head coach and various players have stated such.

    And from what I've seen (and heard), every time these things have come out and names are never mentioned, for the most part, it's mostly Chad who feels he has to have a press conference or go to the media and counter or address these "accusations" as if he feels they are directly aimed at him. Guilty conscience, or just over-reacting and paranoid? There has been one exception I remember when TJ also came out and made a statement after one of Lewis' press interviews. But for the most part it has been Chad. And then again, maybe it's the media going after Chad to see how he'll react. Either way, Chad still doesn't do well with his mouth.

    But going on ESPN's Mike and Mike, regardless of what people may think of them and their show, and then Johnson airing his complaints about the Bengals, and IMO, appearing AGAIN to try and garner sympathy and get people to feel sorry for him, just further exasperates the situation. It really serves no good IMO.

    The guy is a talent. No denying that. But he is also emotionally high strung. And IMO he wears those emotions on his sleeve. He's his own worst enemy as far as I'm concerned.

    Set aside and separate the elaborate and planned TD celebrations and various other attention-getting antics he has done (the haircut, Ocho Cinco Jacket, etc). Fans say he's just having fun and being entertaining. Fine. You still just can't explain away the various situations that have occurred between Johnson and the head coach, coaching staff, and Palmer, beginning with that halftime display vs the Steelers a couple years ago, and the various on-field and sideline altercations that have occurred since when they are seen on camera.

    They could trade CJ tomorrow and the problems the Bengals incurred this past season aren't going to go away. Again - he may not be the root cause; but he does seem to exasperate them. I'm sorry, but I don't think the guy's personality allows him to be a team player.
    You mean the usual interview where Marvin is a arrogant jerk to the media? The guy is finally getting heat and he can't accept this junk of a team is his fault. Now he is mouthing about not enough scouts and blaming Chad.

    If I was Chad I would be screaming to get out of this organization also. I think Chad, TJ, and Carson have a passion to win that just isn't there from most of the team and clearly the organization. You read about the lack of work ethic from certain players and that is WAY more of a problem than Chad Johnson. Everyone knows that Chad works at his craft like Jerry Rice did.

    Carson Palmer basically asked for new people to run this team and yet Chad Johnson is the problem? Laughable. Read the article on Bengals.com from Mike Brown and tell me that Chad Johnson is the problem. Mike Brown literally brags about being mediocre. It's exactly the reason the Bengals will never succeed for any extended period.
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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    And that is evident by the fact they kept moving from team to team due to their me-first personalities.
    Moss and TO were both playing this weekend, which to me says it all.
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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    You mean the usual interview where Marvin is a arrogant jerk to the media? The guy is finally getting heat and he can't accept this junk of a team is his fault. Now he is mouthing about not enough scouts and blaming Chad.

    If I was Chad I would be screaming to get out of this organization also. I think Chad, TJ, and Carson have a passion to win that just isn't there from most of the team and clearly the organization. You read about the lack of work ethic from certain players and that is WAY more of a problem than Chad Johnson. Everyone knows that Chad works at his craft like Jerry Rice did.

    Carson Palmer basically asked for new people to run this team and yet Chad Johnson is the problem? Laughable. Read the article on Bengals.com from Mike Brown and tell me that Chad Johnson is the problem. Mike Brown literally brags about being mediocre. It's exactly the reason the Bengals will never succeed for any extended period.
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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    I interpret this as Chad wants out. Period.

    He wants to play for a perennial winner, and the Bengals will never be that team (unless Mike finally realizes he should have no part in anything football related).

    Of course, Marvin and Chad will probably just say it was just a misunderstanding and that the media took it out of context, and the Bengals will be back to their happy mediocrity.
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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    If I was Chad I would be screaming to get out of this organization also.
    Have you ever owned your own business? A business with employees? Judging by that response I would guess not.

    The sentiment you express is exactly what's wrong with professional sports--and much of America--today.
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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    Read the article on Bengals.com from Mike Brown and tell me that Chad Johnson is the problem. Mike Brown literally brags about being mediocre. It's exactly the reason the Bengals will never succeed for any extended period.
    Exactly.

    Reading that article irritated me....again with Mike Brown. I can't stand him. He has been the one consistent problem with the Bengals. What a stupid, stubborn, selfish buffoon.

    IMO, it'll be very tough for the Bengals to win until Mike Brown ceases to be around the Bengals. In the mean time, I truely believe Marvin will be gone soon and hopefully a tougher head coach will come in to control the asylum.
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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    Moss and TO were both playing this weekend, which to me says it all.
    So? And have you listened to either one of these guys when they have publically spoken this past season? Which hasn't been much by the way. They've both taken a pretty low profile position. I'm still not a big fan of T.O., but I do hear both of these guys talking with a lot more humility and that it's not about them, but the team. Now maybe they're both lying; but it's at least a lot better then some of the antics we were accustomed to seeing from them in the past. I know Belichick as a coach, and the philosophy he strongly teaches, I guarantee you he wouldn't have accepted or tolerated Moss on his team unless he was willing to amend his ways and buy into their team philosophy. So maybe these two have finally learned something along the way.
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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

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    So? We haven't really heard anything out of them either have we since they gone to these new homes? Have they proven to be distractions/cancers on their current teams when that was the case prior? No. I know Belichick wouldn't tolerate it. No way he'd allow a me-first, showboating player on his team unless that player was able to correct his ways and adapt to their program. Obviously Moss and T.O may have learned something along the way.

    Yeah, didn't hear a peep out of T.O. in 2006 - if you don't count the whole hamstring problem and the time he allegedly tried to kill himself.
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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Yeah, didn't hear a peep out of T.O. in 2006 - if you don't count the whole hamstring problem and the time he allegedly tried to kill himself.
    As much as I really don't care for the guy, I have always refuted the report that he tried to kill himself. If, as reported, the guy tried to commit suicide because he was depressed - that's not something that comes on as a one time episode, all of a sudden disappears, and then, all on your own without any outside help from anyone, you're all better. Not if you're struggling with depression.

    And even if it was true Chip - that is not the same IMO as one who is a distraction, creating problems, and having confrontations inside that clubhouse, and on the sidelines, with the head coach, and other team members. I have not heard one report from any player on the Cowboys, the coaching staff, or even the Dallas media where T.O. has created the same type of problems he had a history of doing so with previous teams.

    Have you even heard a peep out of this guy at all this year, as compared to the T.O. of the past we all love so dearly?

    And how about Randy Moss also with the Patriots?
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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

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    Exactly.

    Reading that article irritated me....again with Mike Brown. I can't stand him. He has been the one consistent problem with the Bengals. What a stupid, stubborn, selfish buffoon.

    IMO, it'll be very tough for the Bengals to win until Mike Brown ceases to be around the Bengals. In the mean time, I truely believe Marvin will be gone soon and hopefully a tougher head coach will come in to control the asylum.
    Yeah I've pretty much given up for good at this point, it's just not going to change here, and the Bengals' are never going to be a consistent winner.

    I find them less interesting every year and really don't even care so much about them any longer, despite being a lifelong fan who's attended many games since the 80's.

    It really wouldn't bother me much at all if this city didn't have an NFL team. So, I don't support them, I don't buy the silly striped merchandise, and I certainly won't be going to games (and haven't since '06).

    It's too bad there aren't 80,000 others who feel this way.

    Nothing other than an empty stadium will send a message to Emperor Brown. But, people still keep going, thinking things are going to change. Others go because they want to be "seen" or get out of the house since there's not much else to do in this town I guess.

    It'll be fun to see the spin and the hype when the Bengals' do absolutely nothing again this off-season other than re-sign their own dregs and draft a bunch of mediocre players per the norm, everyone will spin it, try and justify it, they'll hold on to those PSL's, they'll stink again next year, and the cycle will repeat ad nauseum as it has 16 of the last 17 years.

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    Re: Chad Johnson hints at trade demand

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    As much as I really don't care for the guy, I have always refuted the report that he tried to kill himself. If, as reported, the guy tried to commit suicide because he was depressed - that's not something that comes on as a one time episode, all of a sudden disappears, and then, all on your own without any outside help from anyone, you're all better. Not if you're struggling with depression.

    And even if it was true Chip - that is not the same IMO as one who is a distraction, creating problems, and having confrontations inside that clubhouse, and on the sidelines, with the head coach, and other team members. I have not heard one report from any player on the Cowboys, the coaching staff, or even the Dallas media where T.O. has created the same type of problems he had a history of doing so with previous teams.

    You don't think that whole suicide deal plus his training camp shenanigans weren't a distraction and what Chad Johnson does is?
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