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    Five-Star Prospects
    1. Jay Bruce, CF
    2. Homer Bailey, RHP
    3. Joey Votto, 1B/OF
    Four-Star Prospects
    4. Johnny Cueto, RHP
    Three-Star Prospects
    5. Todd Frazier, INF
    6. Devin Mesoraco, C
    7. Drew Stubbs, CF
    8. Matt Maloney, LHP
    9. Kyle Lotzkar, RHP
    10. Juan Francisco, 3B
    Two-Star Prospects
    11. Neftali Soto, SS

    Just Missing: Josh Roenicke, RHP; Daryl Thompson, RHP; Brandon Waring, 3B

    1. Jay Bruce, CF
    DOB: 4/3/87
    Height/Weight: 6-2/210
    Bats/Throws: L/L
    Drafted: 1st round, 2005, Westbrook HS (TX)
    2007 Stats: .325/.379/.586 at High A (67 G); .333/.405/.652 at Double-A (16 G); .305/.358/.567 at Triple-A (50 G)

    Year In Review: After outshining prospects like Cameron Maybin and Justin Upton to win Midwest League MVP honors in 2006, Bruce went from High-A to the cusp of the majors in the blink of an eye, mashing at every level along the way.
    The Good: Bruce is loaded with both tools and skills. He's a fantastic hitter who is seemingly incapable of light contact, projecting as a .300+ hitter who approaches 100 extra-base hits annually. He has average to slightly-above speed and has proven to be surprisingly capable in center field, while also showcasing a strong arm. He supplements his natural abilities with strong makeup and an outstanding work ethic.
    The Bad: Anything here is just nitpicking. He's anything but a hacker, but he does often swing at pitches he'd be better served by letting go by. While he'll likely begin his career in center, most believe he'll move to a corner once he fills out.
    Fun Fact: In the first three innings of Triple-A games, Bruce went 5-for-55 (.091) without a home run. Afterwards, he hit .394 with 11 home runs in 132 at-bats.
    Perfect World Projection: A perennial All-Star and MVP candidate. A true superstar in the mold of a healthy Larry Walker.
    Timetable: The Reds dealt Josh Hamilton to the Rangers in order to open up a spot for Bruce in the big-league lineup. The future of the Reds franchise begins now.

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    Re: Baseball Prospects Reds Top 11 Prospects

    Just one quote from the pay portion, hopefully it won't get me in trouble.

    The Reds system may be top-heavy, but man, what a top it is, and what comes after gives the club a decent shot at remaining a solid organization after this big front three lose their eligibility next year.
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    It will depend on what the Buckley guys do. 2008 will be graduation year.

    2009 will depend how the lower level guys did in 2008. Are Mesoraco,Lotz and Soto developing? How about the college guys are Stubbs,Watson,Val,Dorn and Turner progressing well?

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    With my 3000th post I'd like to thank all the little people. Never has one man used so much bandwidth to say so little ('cept maybe Krono). I figured my IsoPCG (Isolated post/good content ratio--threw that in for you metric goobers) is roughly .01. Which means I've made only 30 worthy posts. Some will say less. Here's to 3000 more. I won't be any better but it means I'll have another 4years of the best damn Reds talk anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoydsOfSummer View Post
    With my 3000th post I'd like to thank all the little people. Never has one man used so much bandwidth to say so little ('cept maybe Krono). I figured my IsoPCG (Isolated post/good content ratio--threw that in for you metric goobers) is roughly .01. Which means I've made only 30 worthy posts. Some will say less. Here's to 3000 more. I won't be any better but it means I'll have another 4years of the best damn Reds talk anywhere.

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    Re: Baseball Prospects Reds Top 11 Prospects

    Interesting thing about the Goldstein article- no mention of Travis Wood whatsoever. He apparently considers the likes of Waring and Thompson to be better prospects.
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    Goldstein seems to be very low on Cueto. He mentions the top 3 prospects in his into and seems to think Cueto is just an extra. According to him Cueto's perfect world projection is a solid number 3. I'd say that's a little low.
    He says he has "pure power stuff" with a plus hard slider second pitch. His changeup varies start to start with above average with late sink. Also his command and control are above average. It would seem that Cueto would be viewed as a 5-star with 3 plus pitches and great control. Yet he says he thinks Cueto isn't big enough to be a longterm starter. He thinks Cueto will not be able to handle 200 IP, even though Cueto has an injury free history. Great command would make you believe he pitch deep into games and keep his pitch count low. Goldstein rates Volquez ahead of Cueto and .

    I really think that his size shouldn't be as much of an issue as it's been. A smaller, slightly larger framed guy should have a more repeatable and mechanically better deliver than a tall lanky guy, thus leading to less injurys. The pitchers stuff, mechanics, control, (all the actual pitching aspects) should matter, not whether or not he was fortunate to be tall.

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    Height does matter in pitching. The plane put on the ball coming out of a guy who is tall is going to be quite a bit different than that of a guy who is 5'10". I don't think its something to hold against Cueto really, but it is something to think about.

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    Re: Baseball Prospects Reds Top 11 Prospects

    I wouldn't call him "very low" on Cueto...he's ranked as a four-star prospect, which would make him the #1 prospect in a number of organizations.
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    Re: Baseball Prospects Reds Top 11 Prospects

    Here are some 5 star pitchers

    Fautino de los Santos
    Rick Porcello
    Nick Adenhart
    Joba Chamberlain
    David Price
    Wade Davis
    Neftali Feliz
    Jarrod Parker
    Clay Buchholz
    Homer Bailey

    That's at least 10 pitchers ranked ahead of Cueto, so far. Not only is Goldsteins list incomplete, but who knows how many 4-star guys he would rank ahead of Cueto.

    Cueto might end up in the top 25-30 pitchers by the time he's done, which is very low.

    The lowest overall rating Cueto has received in a top prospect list as 47th at MILB.com
    In that, there were about 20 pitchers ahead of him.

    In the major lists, Cueto has....
    x pitchers ahead - source
    8 - The Diamond Cutter
    6 - Mound Talk Community
    5 - Mound Talk
    6 Project Prospect
    9 - Scouting Book
    6 - Sickels Community Prospect

    The point is that There are a bunch of ratings where Cueto is around the 8-10th best pitching prospect in baseball, while Goldstein and MLB think he's more like in the 20s. That is considered very low.

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    Re: Baseball Prospects Reds Top 11 Prospects

    I would rank Cueto as a five-star along with Bailey, Bruce, and Votto. Todd Frazier would also be a four-star in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlbfan30 View Post
    Here are some 5 star pitchers

    Fautino de los Santos
    Rick Porcello
    Nick Adenhart
    Joba Chamberlain
    David Price
    Wade Davis
    Neftali Feliz
    Jarrod Parker
    Clay Buchholz
    Homer Bailey

    That's at least 10 pitchers ranked ahead of Cueto, so far. Not only is Goldsteins list incomplete, but who knows how many 4-star guys he would rank ahead of Cueto.

    Cueto might end up in the top 25-30 pitchers by the time he's done, which is very low.

    The lowest overall rating Cueto has received in a top prospect list as 47th at MILB.com
    In that, there were about 20 pitchers ahead of him.

    In the major lists, Cueto has....
    x pitchers ahead - source
    8 - The Diamond Cutter
    6 - Mound Talk Community
    5 - Mound Talk
    6 Project Prospect
    9 - Scouting Book
    6 - Sickels Community Prospect

    The point is that There are a bunch of ratings where Cueto is around the 8-10th best pitching prospect in baseball, while Goldstein and MLB think he's more like in the 20s. That is considered very low.
    Nick Adenhart and 2 High Schoolers who have thrown a combined 0 professional innings are 5 star guys but Cueto isn't? Neftali Feliz threw 42 innings last year and only 15 of those came in A ball.... Feliz was ranked 13th in the Braves system (now in the Rangers system) by John Sickels and given a C+ as a guy with a great arm but really far away from the majors.

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    With my 3000th post I'd like to thank all the little people. Never has one man used so much bandwidth to say so little ('cept maybe Krono). I figured my IsoPCG (Isolated post/good content ratio--threw that in for you metric goobers) is roughly .01. Which means I've made only 30 worthy posts. Some will say less. Here's to 3000 more. I won't be any better but it means I'll have another 4years of the best damn Reds talk anywhere.
    This post betrays the poster's very high ceiling. Could it all come together in 08?
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