http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64861Originally Posted by kaldaniels
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...=chris+shelton
Shelton would have more value playing first base against lefties than Hatteberg pinch-hitting. Why do Shelton's strikeouts matter? Sounds like Adam Dunn syndrome- haven't we gotten over that?
Strike outs for pinch hitters matter kinda.
What in the world did those threads prove/show me. My question was how many people would prefer Shelton OVER Hatte. Sure, Shelton is a capable guy and would be a decent backup to have, no doubt. But at the expense of Hatteberg???
Well done though in throwing in an Adam Dunn jab, despite the fact that you are comparing apples and oranges when it comes to everyday players vs a guy who would be coming in off the bench quite a bit. A K prone guy with decent power is not an ideal pinch hitter. A K prone guy with enormous power serves a role in an everyday lineup. C'mon, you can do better than that.
My point was that there are a trememdous number of people on the ORG and SunDeck that feel Shelton would be a better use of the roster spot than Hatteberg, especially considering we may get a decent prospect for Hatt. So yeah the threads do respond to your question PERFECTLY.
As to the second thing perhaps I was not clear enough: I love Adam Dunn. You can click my public profile and see that he is the only player I have listed as a favorite. my point was that while Shelton will strikeout, his power and great plate discipline would outweight the perceived disadvantage of the strikeouts. As I also mentioned, where Shelton's value would really come would be his role at first base against LH pitching. I think the whole "pinch-hitting-in-the-bottom-of-the-ninth-inning-with-two-outs" is getting a little blown out of proportion. You really don't have too many of those situations, and it is more important for us to get a RH first baseman to platoon with Votto.
Oh yeah, and Shelton is just as good of a hitter as the 38 year-old Hatteberg. But those intangibles...
Maybe you should have just read the threads. I already made all of these points, as did many members of the ORG...
Maybe 5 people not counting yourself on those threads directly said they would be in favor of Hatte for Shelton. Tremendous amount of people???? Eh.My point was that there are a trememdous number of people on the ORG and SunDeck that feel Shelton would be a better use of the roster spot than Hatteberg, especially considering we may get a decent prospect for Hatt. So yeah the threads do respond to your question PERFECTLY.
As to the second thing perhaps I was not clear enough: I love Adam Dunn. You can click my public profile and see that he is the only player I have listed as a favorite. my point was that while Shelton will strikeout, his power and great plate discipline would outweight the perceived disadvantage of the strikeouts. As I also mentioned, where Shelton's value would really come would be his role at first base against LH pitching. I think the whole "pinch-hitting-in-the-bottom-of-the-ninth-inning-with-two-outs" is getting a little blown out of proportion. You really don't have too many of those situations, and it is more important for us to get a RH first baseman to platoon with Votto.
Oh yeah, and Shelton is just as good of a hitter as the 38 year-old Hatteberg. But those intangibles...
Maybe you should have just read the threads. I already made all of these points, as did many members of the ORG...
And I knew you liked Dunn I didn't misunderstand...it just seemed like a baited remark...
What do you define "plate discipline" as....thats not a term that Shelton usually brings to mind???
Just as an aside to this thread. Has anyone bothered to realize Chris Shelton hit .255 vs lefties last year in over 100 AB's. At AAA Toledo.
Are you accounting for the ORG thread too? It goes on for quite a few pages. You gotta read what RedsManRick says. If you can't respect his perspective, you don't respect yourself.
I define plate discipline as Shelton's career minor league OBP of .412...
career splits:
vs RH- .286/.342/.498 in 643 MLB PA
vs LH- .269/.363/.420 in 256 MLB PA
sounds better than Hatteberg to me, especially considering they were in Comerica instead of GABP...
Wow...way to take this to a personal level. I'm afraid I can't continue this discussion rationally. All I said was I disagree with your desire for Shelton. Then, you come back at me talking to me like I'm a child with your Adam Dunn remark rather than stats or a reasonable debate. I was looking forward to a Hatte/Shelton breakdown but oh well. I'm outta here.
I didn't intend to make this personal. in fact the respect yourself thing wasn't meant to be all that serious. I should have said his arguement instead of perspective... I'm sorry if you took it so personally, perhaps I need to be more serious...
Hey I freaking hate you Baseclogger
just kidding
Ahh cooler heads have prevailed. Thanks for the PM Baseclogger. I am back.
Reds in 2008Ahh cooler heads have prevailed. Thanks for the PM Baseclogger. I am back.
lol....Again, I apologize for my snippiness...you have shown you are nothing but class Baseclogger...now put that beer down!Reds in 2008
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