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    Re: Reds Pitching -- Let's promote the prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Yep.

    Cueto threw 193 innings between A+/AA/AAA/Winter ball this year (struck out 207 guys too, just thought I'd throw that in there), in 2006 he threw 138 innings (not including winter ball because I can't find his stats), and in 2006 he threw 49 innings. Cueto has seen a steady in crease of work the last 3 years, and has made it through with no major arm injuries to speak of (knock on wood). Why would you bother taking him off his everyday schedule of pitching every 5th day that he has been working on the lst few years, and put him on a schedule of an irrartic work load? For example, Carlos Marmol threw 69.1 innings for the Cubs this year. Why would you waste the stretching out of Cueto's arm, and put him in the bullpen where he will throw fewer then 80 innings, on a schedule he isn't used to, only to throw him back on the 5th day schedule during the year or the year after?

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    Homer's an unrelated issue, Highlifeman21.
    The Reds have a poor track record of developing young arms, so clearly something is broken and needs to be fixed.

    Scott Williamson is the last arm I can remember coming up through the farm, and before that, it gets pretty fuzzy and very foggy.

    I'm hoping they get it right with Cueto, as he intrigues me more than Bailey.

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    Re: Reds Pitching -- Let's promote the prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Yep.

    Why would you waste the stretching out of Cueto's arm, and put him in the bullpen where he will throw fewer then 80 innings, on a schedule he isn't used to, only to throw him back on the 5th day schedule during the year or the year after?



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    To give Cueto exposure to major league hitters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    The Reds have a poor track record of developing young arms, so clearly something is broken and needs to be fixed.

    Scott Williamson is the last arm I can remember coming up through the farm, and before that, it gets pretty fuzzy and very foggy.

    I'm hoping they get it right with Cueto, as he intrigues me more than Bailey.
    Not really fair to hold the sins of the father against the son.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    To give Cueto exposure to major league hitters.
    And why can't you do that in the starting rotation?

    If he's not ready, he's not ready. If he is ready, he is ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    One of the most important aspects of an arm at Cueto's age is "stretching his arm out" to eventually become a starting pitcher capable of handling a starting pitcher's level innings. So far, that progression with Cueto has been just about perfect. Moving him to the pen would disrupt that considerably.
    Agree with the premise. But Cueto has been pretty well stretched out the last couple of years (counting winterball) and threw 192 innings last year. A stint in the pen probably wouldn't hurt him as much as a guy like Bailey who has never really been stretched out.

    I'd say absolutely not for Bailey, but Cueto and even Maloney might be ok there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    And why can't you do that in the starting rotation?

    If he's not ready, he's not ready. If he is ready, he is ready.
    Unless he wins the spot over Volquez, I say bullpen or AAA for Cueto. The Reds shouldn't have more than 1 of Volquez, Cueto and Bailey in the rotation in 2008. Too many young guys that all need to be babied and if they are all there some one will have to be thrown to the wolves. I'd say Bailey in AAA rotation no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Agree with the premise. But Cueto has been pretty well stretched out the last couple of years (counting winterball) and threw 192 innings last year. A stint in the pen probably wouldn't hurt him as much as a guy like Bailey who has never really been stretched out.

    I'd say absolutely not for Bailey, but Cueto and even Maloney might be ok there.
    What about regression? That's what worries me.

    Also: a possible regression in mind-set is another major concern.
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    Re: Reds Pitching -- Let's promote the prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Unless he wins the spot over Volquez, I say bullpen or AAA for Cueto. The Reds shouldn't have more than 1 of Volquez, Cueto and Bailey in the rotation in 2008. Too many young guys that all need to be babied and if they are all there some one will have to be thrown to the wolves. I'd say Bailey in AAA rotation no matter what.
    And it seems clear to me that it will be Volquez.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    And it seems clear to me that it will be Volquez.
    Me too and it should be.
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    Re: Reds Pitching -- Let's promote the prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    What about regression? That's what worries me.

    Also: a possible regression in mind-set is another major concern.
    what about a pro-gression in mind-set like what we saw w/ Burton last year....

    Again, he simply wasn't cutting it until Mackanin showed faith in him and begain using him in high pressure situation... its was has if Mackanin willed Burton to have faith in himself... and it may have made Burton's career...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippie07 View Post
    what about a pro-gression in mind-set like what we saw w/ Burton last year....

    Again, he simply wasn't cutting it until Mackanin showed faith in him and begain using him in high pressure situation... its was has if Mackanin willed Burton to have faith in himself... and it may have made Burton's career...
    I was speaking to the fact that he is a starter now and has always been a starter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
    "Cheering for Kentucky is like watching Star Wars and hoping Darth Vader chokes an ewok"



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