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    Re: ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSelig View Post
    I get tired of the following:

    Bowling
    Tennis
    WNBA
    Poker
    Hockey
    Crappy, no-name college football

    Seems like they play a combo of this list on ESPN/ESPN2 at all times.
    Hockey hasn't been on ESPN in 3 years.

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    Re: ESPN

    My bad. I see it on TV alot, and just assumed ESPN.

    Replace Hockey w/ Soccer.

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    Re: ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSelig View Post
    My bad. I see it on TV alot, and just assumed ESPN.

    Replace Hockey w/ Soccer.
    Soccer is on ESPN in the middle of the week for 4 hours mid day every 6 weeks during soccer season on the deuce... hardly something to sweat... especially since it's 100 times better then any basketball game.

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    Re: ESPN

    You have your opinion, I have mine. Can't say either one of us is right. I just personally dislike the sport. Not a fan - thus annoying me when I see it on TV.

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    I do love that ESPN exists, but I hate the fact that they're not near as good as they used to be. It used to be much more "news" and much less "tabloid." I loved that ESPN and was a regular consumer of their product. Now I watch probably about 25% of what I used to watch. They've become something that doesn't appeal to me beyond getting scores and watching the games they show. I'm clearly not the target they're going after any more.
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    Re: ESPN

    The thing that bugs me most is tuning into a sports channel and seeing things that aren't a sport, mainly people sitting around playing cards. If poker is a sport, why don't they televise people playing Monopoly and Scrabble as well?

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    Re: ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSelig View Post
    You have your opinion, I have mine. Can't say either one of us is right. I just personally dislike the sport. Not a fan - thus annoying me when I see it on TV.
    True.. but saying that a sport that gets 4 hours a month on a network is on ALL the time is funny, because that's about 0.0055555 percent of the hours in an average month.

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    Re: ESPN

    Oh man, this is like shooting fish in a barrel.
    - Too much "entertainment", not enough "sports".
    - Completely contrived dramatic crap, as if the sports themselves were not compelling.
    - Annoucners/Analysts: I simply don't understand the love affair with having ex-jocks tell me about sports. Their expertise is in doing the sports. I want to see people's whose expertise is either journalism or analysis. I simply cannot emphasize this enough. This is the single #1 problem with ESPN, clueless talking heads who delivery crappy content poorly.
    - Highlights: I want a 30 second version of the game, highlighting both the dramatic moments and notable "fun" achievements. There is more to a baseball game than strikeouts and homers and there is more to a basketball game than breakaway dunks and half court shots at halftime. Yuck.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by OldRightHander View Post
    The thing that bugs me most is tuning into a sports channel and seeing things that aren't a sport, mainly people sitting around playing cards. If poker is a sport, why don't they televise people playing Monopoly and Scrabble as well?
    Actually, ESPN does televise Scrabble.

    Haven't seen Monopoly yet, though.

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    Re: ESPN

    If Monopoly is a pro sport then I'm set for life.
    Go Gators!

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    Re: ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSelig View Post
    My bad. I see it on TV alot, and just assumed ESPN.

    Replace Hockey w/ Soccer.
    I would love it if ESPN actually put on more soccer. More actual sports, less pseudo-sports and infotainment crap. You may not like soccer, but you can't deny that it is an actual sport, as opposed to say, poker and billiards. I hate the fact that ESPN has the contract to broadcast Champions League Soccer, yet it has relegated that coverage to ESPN Deportes. I don't get ESPN Deportes because it's part of the Spanish Language package, so therefore I do not get to see Champions League Soccer. The only soccer ESPN shows on the English language channels belongs to the MLS.

    Seriously, ESPN has to fill up the schedule for 5 or 6 networks somehow. Would you rather they filled it up with BS like poker and billiards, along with their infotainment junk like Cold Pizza, Around the Horn, and "Who's Now?" Or would you rather they filled it up with actual sports. I miss the days when you could see actual sports on ESPN. Show me some international soccer, some World Cup skiing, tennis, hockey, no-name college football (which is often more fun to watch than some lame big college matchup), swimming, diving, track and field, speed skating, water polo, anything. As much as I don't like figure skating and gymnastics, I'd much rather have that than have a bunch of hack sports writers yell at me through my TV.

    I think it's a shame that ESPN and ABC, which both had a reputation for bringing a large variety of sports into our homes, have both become populated with catch-phrase spewing hacks who thrive on the idea that the personalities presenting the sports are more important than the sports themselves. Bring me back the days of Jim McKay on Wide World of Sports sending me to Austria for the Hannenkahm Downhill or to Acapulco for cliff diving.
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    Re: ESPN

    This pretty much sums it up for me. It's from a couple years ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Davis
    This is a new age in sports and sports marketing. This is the 21st century in sports business where ESPN branches out from scores and highlights to bigger (though not better) ventures including making movies. One of the consequences, I believe, is a major step backwards in target audience.

    This isn't the ESPN of 20 years ago or even 5 years ago. Now we have Sean Salisbury and John Clayton playing "fact or fiction", Rob Dibble saying outrageous things just to be controversial, we have segments called "buying or selling", we even had a segment with Steven A. Smith as the hard core, militant (and black) new guard versus Skip Bayless as the conservative "things were so much better when..." voice. ESPN's segments have been watered down to the point where not much is left beyond product placements and silly self-aggrandizing interviews sponsored by beer companies. At ESPN, shades of grey are for yesterday's sports fan. Following the example of Fox TV in the early 90s, ESPN now plays exclusively to the lowest common denominator -- the cheap seats.

    There are plenty of intelligent sports fans out there. Many are well rounded, diverse and come from a cross section of America. But I don't think they're the ones who are glued to ESPN eagerly awaiting "the truth" from Sean Salisbury or John Kruk in between watching two hot chicks peel each others clothes off in a fight over beers. It's easy to sit through ESPN's programs and commercials as they put your brain to sleep, unburdened by anything resembling a thought.

    I don't know about you, but that's not me...as much as ESPN may want it to me to be. I'm no longer ESPN's target audience. I used to be 5-10 years ago. In all of their programming ESPN is after a newer and easier target now…. The target audience is "the hard-core sports fan who obesses over ESPN." I'd say there is a significant difference between that species and the sports fan who is savvy enough to embrace subtlety.

    I have little use for ESPN anymore. I do appreciate subtlety in my sports and certainly in my movies. And for the life of me, I can't see how anybody would watch a movie made by ESPN unless it was because they've been hammered by commercials convincing them they need to see the slop.

    I don’t want it to come across that I think I’m above sports these days, or that ESPN doesn’t offer anything I want to watch. I still watch baseball and football games when they’re on, and once in awhile I’ll catch Baseball Tonight.

    I’m from the Westside of Cincinnati. I still play softball two or three nights a week. I’m still known to put down a few tubs of beer and close the park on a regular basis. I’m in three fantasy football leagues and two fantasy baseball leagues. I probably buy 10-12 sports books per year. I guess my point is, I should be a sure thing as a target for ESPN and beer commercials. They should have no problem selling their products to me. The products already sell themselves as far as I’m concerned.

    But I realized awhile back that, as much as sports are a part of my life, I’m no longer the target audience for ESPN …. They’re aiming beneath me. Why do all beer commercials make me feel like a blabbering Neanderthal just for being a guy? I realize I probably take the issue a bit more seriously than intended, but I don’t think most guys realize the undercurrent running through sports/beer/advertising that encourages men to act like the Neanderthals they aren’t.

    Honestly, I have a blast when I drink, and I do drink a lot (probably too much). In addition, I love playing and watching sports. But that doesn’t mean I have to go to my favorite sports bar to watch the Big Game and even bigger commercials while ogling women who are nothing more than phony definitions of beauty. Surely this is the coveted American woman, right?

    When I watch ESPN’s commercials and the programming sandwiched between, I really do feel insulted that this is how they see sports fans. There are times when I sleep walk through the programming, but when I do wake up and realize the idea being hammered into my head, I feel like my IQ drops 50 points just for being a beer guzzling, sportsfan of a guy. And here’s the part that gets me: I know that’s not me, but they insist on making it me. I don’t despise my oddness or my deviation from the ESPN obsessed fan or those things that make me, after all, me. I want to preserve those things.

    Right now I’m trying to picture what I don’t like about ESPN, and the picture in my head goes something like this: Stuart Scott is doing his best “Mark Jones in 1997” impression, rapid firing inner city slang even though we all know he’s never been within a mile of a playground in his life. Next to Boo-ya! is some overly ambitious, starved for face time, cliché spouting recent college grad whose job it is to introduce football “expert” Sean Salisbury. Salisbury is already doing a 180 from the truth he laid on us last week. John Clayton, who would make Classy Freddy Blassie proud, is brought in to argue for five minutes with Salisbury. Isn’t it fun to watch the 6’5’’ ex-jock who’s never had an original thought cross his mind in all of his 35+ years argue non-stop with the pencil neck geek? Here’s how it goes:

    “I’m right, you’re wrong. No, I’m right and you’re wrong. Well, you’re a geek and what do you know about girls? Well you’re an idiot ex-football player (this one couldn’t be any closer to the truth).”

    They’re still bickering about whether Donovan McNabb is a black guy or not as we go to commercial. The commercial is for more ESPN programming later that night or that week. Then a beer commercial with two hot chicks and two guys doing something really stupid to get their attention. Then three straight commercials for Hu$tle. Then a couple more commercials starring the overexposed "high-upside" athlete du jour.

    We’re back. And now we have the Budweiser hotseat with Clinton Portis…otherwise known as another commercial. Dan Patrick soft tosses a few questions to Clinton about his “ride” and his “crib” just so we know we’re getting an exclusive. If there’s a difference between the segment I just watched and the “Leon” commercial I saw two minutes ago, it’s beyond my ken. I’m not supposed to notice that Budweiser and ESPN just mocked the type of me-first, smack talking, scandal ridden self-promoter that they always turn to for opinions on the contrived controversy of the week.

    Coincidentally, here comes Stuart Scott’s interview with Warren Sapp, Deion Sanders, and Keyshawn Johnson. Afterwards, we’ll turn to Michael Irvin and Mike Ditka for black and white analysis of the smack-talk. Irvin and Ditka take turns spitting at each other for five minutes. Ditka said something about not letting the players get away with it, and I couldn’t understand a word of Irvin’s diatribe.

    More commercials…and finally a Top 10 plays segment with a lame headline attached to each one, such as “Bonds Away” or “Freel-ing Good” or “Roger That.”

    There's your Sports Center, sportsfans. Boo-ya!
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    Re: ESPN

    Wow, that post by Crash really does just about say it all. Right on the money.
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    Re: ESPN

    Does anybody else miss Karate and Sumo Wrestling?
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    Re: ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Does anybody else miss Karate and Sumo Wrestling?
    I was just thinking that I miss seeing Australian Rules Football, Minnesota Fats and Willie Moscone billiards duels and "From the 55-Yard Line," the weekly CFL highlight show. All of that would infinitely preferable to the infotainment that ESPN fills its airwaves with now.
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