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    PECOTA 08

    BP's Pecota came out yesterday.. the same day as the Strat's Card Release (don't think that wasn't planned).

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=742

    Lot's of stuff there

    Here are the projected guys with over 40 in VORP


    Pujols Albert
    Wright David
    Rodriguez Alex
    Braun Ryan
    Ramirez Hanley
    Jones Chipper
    Ortiz David
    Utley Chase
    Fielder Prince
    Teixeira Mark
    Cabrera Miguel
    Reyes Jose
    Beltran Carlos
    Rollins Jimmy
    Howard Ryan
    Berkman Lance
    Zimmerman Ryan
    Ramirez Aramis

    And here are the Reds



    Code:
    Last		First	BA	OBP	SLG	MLVR	EqBA	EqOBP	EqSLG	EqA	VORP
    Dunn		Adam	.261	.388	.549	.208	.257	.384	.540	.306	35.8
    Encarnacion	Edwin	.285	.356	.493	.109	.282	.352	.486	.282	30.2
    Bruce		Jay	.269	.336	.512	.085	.265	.332	.503	.277	29.9
    Votto		Joey	.278	.357	.494	.103	.275	.353	.486	.283	24.6
    Keppinger	Jeff	.305	.364	.418	.036	.301	.360	.411	.267	23.1
    Phillips	Brandon	.274	.325	.444	-.019	.271	.322	.437	.260	22.4
    Griffey		Ken	.268	.350	.480	.065	.264	.346	.472	.276	16.5
    Rosales		Adam	.254	.328	.449	-.023	.250	.325	.442	.260	11.4
    Gonzalez	Alex	.261	.315	.424	-.075	.257	.312	.417	.247	11.3
    Hatteberg	Scott	.285	.368	.440	.057	.281	.364	.433	.274	10.8
    Dorn		Daniel	.259	.333	.455	-.003	.256	.329	.448	.263	9.8
    Phillips	Andy	.264	.334	.438	-.019	.261	.331	.431	.259	9.0
    Janish		Paul	.250	.323	.372	-.138	.247	.319	.366	.239	8.3
    Valentin	Javier	.269	.333	.424	-.036	.266	.330	.417	.255	7.1
    Frazier		Todd	.242	.310	.383	-.152	.239	.306	.376	.235	6.3
    Ross		David	.235	.310	.448	-.071	.232	.307	.441	.251	6.1
    Hanigan		Ryan	.257	.349	.357	-.106	.254	.345	.351	.245	5.9
    Lopez		Pedro	.261	.311	.380	-.139	.258	.308	.374	.234	5.5
    Dickerson	Chris	.240	.319	.408	-.104	.237	.315	.402	.249	4.3
    Freel		Ryan	.261	.334	.371	-.111	.257	.330	.365	.247	3.6
    Gil		Jerry	.253	.293	.484	-.036	.250	.290	.477	.255	3.1
    Hopper		Norris	.288	.334	.342	-.133	.284	.330	.337	.236	0.4

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    Are there any rookies with a higher VORP than Jay Bruce?
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    Re: PECOTA 08

    No Castro???
    "In baseball, you don't know nothin'"...Yogi Berra

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    Nice hypothetical season out of Dorn.

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    Say Jay Bruce is projected to be the Reds 3rd most valuable hitter next year and in actuality really close to being second? Nice.

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    Ummmmm..Adam Rosales?

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Ummmmm..Adam Rosales?
    What about him?

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    If Rosales could do that, I say bring him up, start him at SS, and deal with the E's. Of course, PECOTA just loves them some minor leaguers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    If Rosales could do that, I say bring him up, start him at SS, and deal with the E's. Of course, PECOTA just loves them some minor leaguers.
    Rosales probably could do that, but I don't think he would come close to cutting it defensively at shortstop. 3B, 1B and maybe even 2B would be alright, but shortstop isn't his position.

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    Dickerson ranked above Hopper...?

    How does Brian Anderson rank... I'm still thinking that might be a deal that gets done.

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    WOY- Any idea of Griffey Jr.'s rookie season projection(s) (not actual) at that time from BP compared to Jay Bruce and his predicted results of today? I'm intrigued by Rick Sweet's comments about Junior and Jay being the same "animal" at this point in their careers.

    A comparative line between the two would be interesting to see.

    Thanks for the listed projections.

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    That is some nice love for the Reds young guys and look at the love for Keppinger. Pecota predicts a big drop for Griffey no?
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    Quote Originally Posted by hippie07 View Post
    Dickerson ranked above Hopper...?

    How does Brian Anderson rank... I'm still thinking that might be a deal that gets done.
    http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/related/C142/

    The Rays also signed well-traveled left-hander Brian Anderson to a minor-league deal with an invitation to spring training. Anderson, 35, hasnít pitched in the majors since 2005, when he made six generally unsuccessful starts for the Royals
    Any idea of Griffey Jr.'s rookie season projection(s) (not actual) at that time from BP compared to Jay Bruce and his predicted results of today?
    BP didn't exist then and neither did PECOTA until 2003 or 2004

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    Wrong Brian Anderson. The OF is .240/.305/.395 with a VORP of -.5.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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    Re: PECOTA 08

    WOY, he's referring to the White Sox's Brian Anderson per the Anderson thread (that thread was about the CF, NOT the Pitcher).


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