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  • Drew Anderson

    2 2.94%
  • Brett Bartles

    0 0%
  • Jose Castro

    3 4.41%
  • Tzu-Kai Chui

    9 13.24%
  • Zach Cozart

    10 14.71%
  • Rafael Gonzalez

    1 1.47%
  • Chris Heisey

    2 2.94%
  • Sean Henry

    0 0%
  • Evan Hildenbrandt

    6 8.82%
  • Paul Janish

    2 2.94%
  • Ben Jukich

    4 5.88%
  • Derrik Lutz

    5 7.35%
  • Logan Parker

    3 4.41%
  • Juan Rafael

    0 0%
  • Ramon Ramirez

    9 13.24%
  • Jordan Smith

    1 1.47%
  • Craig Tatumm

    5 7.35%
  • Phil Valiquette

    6 8.82%
  • Other (please specify)

    0 0%
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Thread: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    One sleeper who's gotten no mention yet is Travis Webb.
    At # 33 aren't they all pretty much sleepers? I will offer up another one. Charles Snowden. He was the 499th player taken in the 07 Amateur Draft (picked in the 16th round by Cincinnati). They list him at 6'1" and just 150 lbs at baseball-reference.com, so he has no choice but to fill out a little. (Charles Snowden - the anti-Coffey) He pitched in the GCL as an 18 year old. He is a lefty who showed good control - 5 BB in 25.2 IP. He struck people out - 30 K in those same 25.2 IP. His WHIP was 1.13, and he kept the ball from leaving the yard - only 1 HR given up all year. I really don't know anything about him other than his stats. Scouting report, anyone?

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    I haven't seen anything on Snowden other than his stats, but they are intriguing enough that he certainly warrants keeping an eye on.

    Someone I really like at this point, but isn't getting much backing is Derrik Lutz.
    Reliever, big groundball guy (60% of the balls in play last year were GBs) and still gets a decent number of strikeouts while doing so.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamDunn View Post
    But then again, he throws a fastball in the low to mid 80's. Not quite liking that.
    Achtung BabyJul 15 2007, 12:04 PM
    The above one was from June, these next few are from March and may be old news:

    The Cincinnati Reds were able to break into the Taiwanese market by signing 19 year LHP Tzu-Kai Chiu. Chiu received an estimated $200,000 signing bonus + additional money for his education. Chiu stands around 6'0" tall and weighs close to 200 pounds. Chiu has been on the MLB radar for quite some time now - refer to this Jan. '06 post to read more about Chiu. Chiu is currently in his first year of college but will be heading to the US shortly for a physical. Chiu throws comfortably in the 85 to 87 mph range with touches of 89 mph on his fastball - Chiu's best pitch is his curveball. Congrats to Chiu!

    LHP Chiu-86-89mph but very good delivery, polished control and command, plus curveball, above average splitter, also throws slider and changeup.

    Take these press clippings for what they are worth. I have never seen Chiu pitch live. He seems to sit in the mid to upper 80's. He was just 19 this year so maybe he can add a click or two to his fastballin the years to come. Add that to his excellent control and wide variety of pitches and it would not be overly surprising to find him pitching in the majors somewhere down the line.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    LHP Chiu-86-89mph but very good delivery, polished control and command, plus curveball, above average splitter, also throws slider and changeup.

    Take these press clippings for what they are worth. I have never seen Chiu pitch live. He seems to sit in the mid to upper 80's. He was just 19 this year so maybe he can add a click or two to his fastballin the years to come. Add that to his excellent control and wide variety of pitches and it would not be overly surprising to find him pitching in the majors somewhere down the line.
    Good and bad. Nice to see a guy who sounds so polished, so young. However, polish and mediocre stuff can take the same statistical form as dominating in the low minors. Put it in the upper minors and it often doesn't translate so well. Perhaps a right handed Matt Maloney?
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Good and bad. Nice to see a guy who sounds so polished, so young. However, polish and mediocre stuff can take the same statistical form as dominating in the low minors. Put it in the upper minors and it often doesn't translate so well. Perhaps a right handed Matt Maloney?
    Chiu is left handed.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Want a right-handed power pitcher who's only 18--Evan Hildenbrandt. I'm amazed at how much people discount him because he didn't sign and pitch 15 innings or so in the GCL. We've got 20 votes for a combination of Tatum, Valiquette, and Ramirez and 6 for Hildenbrandt. Doesn't show a lot of faith in our current GM.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Good and bad. Nice to see a guy who sounds so polished, so young. However, polish and mediocre stuff can take the same statistical form as dominating in the low minors. Put it in the upper minors and it often doesn't translate so well. Perhaps a right handed Matt Maloney?
    I wonder if research would show there is a correlation between at what speed your fastball has to sit, combined with how many other major league quality pitches you have, for a pitcher to be successful? Something along the lines of.....

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    # of other ML quality pitches       fastball must sit at
                0                                95
                1                                93
                2                                91 
                3                                89
    ....and so on.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    I went Jukich, but let's face it, we're throwing darts by now.
    "In baseball, you don't know nothin'"...Yogi Berra

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Here's my top-ten of who's left:
    1. Zach Cozart
    reportedly plays excellent defense and the only question is whether he can hit enough to be a starter in MLB
    2. Evan Hildebrandt
    has yet to throw a professional inning, but the Reds were willing to pay above-slot money to sign him
    3. Ruben Medina
    his stats make it look like the hitters were swinging at Billiards balls instead of baseballs
    4. Tzu-Kai Chiu
    has shown excellent polish but lacks velocity
    5. Jordan Smith
    has the potential to be a solid back-of-the-rotation innings-eater
    6. Sean Henry
    if not for his small frame, he would be a highly-touted prospect
    7. Jamie Gianchou
    the Reds paid him the highest signing bonus for an Australian ever; it's yet to be seen if he will be the best Australian baseball player ever, though
    8. Chris Heisey
    a somewhat-late draft pick who has surprised people with his skills; I think Danny Dorn stole all his thunder, but he's almost just as worthy of the praise
    9. Ryan Hanigan
    he's a singles-hitter, but he's a catcher who walks more than he strikes out, which can be very valuable
    10. Ramon Ramirez
    he blossomed late in his minor league career, and the Reds thought enough of him to put him on the 40-man roster; his ceiling is probably as a middle reliever, but his floor is probably getting a cup of coffee in the Majors

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Forget about whether Cozart can hit in the majors. It's an open question if he can even hit in the low minors. He's at least two standard deviations behind even matching Paul Janish's paltry offense.
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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Forget about whether Cozart can hit in the majors. It's an open question if he can even hit in the low minors. He's at least two standard deviations behind even matching Paul Janish's paltry offense.
    My exact thoughts. How is this guy getting so many votes even at #33 hitting as bad as he did in low A. Jose Castro should be well ahead of Cozart, no matter how good of a fielder Cozart is.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Right.... Castro is no slouch in the field, and he has shown that he can at least hit for an average (although walking and slugging are rare things to him).

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Here's my top-ten of who's left:
    1. Zach Cozart
    reportedly plays excellent defense and the only question is whether he can hit enough to be a starter in MLB
    2. Evan Hildebrandt
    has yet to throw a professional inning, but the Reds were willing to pay above-slot money to sign him
    3. Ruben Medina
    his stats make it look like the hitters were swinging at Billiards balls instead of baseballs
    4. Tzu-Kai Chiu
    has shown excellent polish but lacks velocity
    5. Jordan Smith
    has the potential to be a solid back-of-the-rotation innings-eater
    6. Sean Henry
    if not for his small frame, he would be a highly-touted prospect
    7. Jamie Gianchou
    the Reds paid him the highest signing bonus for an Australian ever; it's yet to be seen if he will be the best Australian baseball player ever, though
    8. Chris Heisey
    a somewhat-late draft pick who has surprised people with his skills; I think Danny Dorn stole all his thunder, but he's almost just as worthy of the praise
    9. Ryan Hanigan
    he's a singles-hitter, but he's a catcher who walks more than he strikes out, which can be very valuable
    10. Ramon Ramirez
    he blossomed late in his minor league career, and the Reds thought enough of him to put him on the 40-man roster; his ceiling is probably as a middle reliever, but his floor is probably getting a cup of coffee in the Majors
    No Derrik Lutz?

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Quote Originally Posted by kheidg- View Post
    My exact thoughts. How is this guy getting so many votes even at #33 hitting as bad as he did in low A. Jose Castro should be well ahead of Cozart, no matter how good of a fielder Cozart is.
    First of all, Cozart skipped rookie ball and has had only 200 at-bats or so. For all we know, if he had started out in a weaker league, his offensive stats could look much better.

    Second of all, scouts say (and what scouts say is arguably the biggest reason most of these prospects are ranked as high as they are) that Cozart's bat is good enough for him to ultimately end up as a utility player and possibly as a starting shortstop.

    Third of all, it's not like he was striking out every other at-bat. Granted, he didn't drive the ball well, but at least he made contact.

    Fourthly, and most importantly, he wasn't drafted by Jim Bowden.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #33

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    First of all, Cozart skipped rookie ball and has had only 200 at-bats or so. For all we know, if he had started out in a weaker league, his offensive stats could look much better.
    Coulda, woulda, shoulda. He had a .239/.288/.332 line in Dayton. That's pathetic. There was more than a little concern that he wouldn't be able to hit with a wood bat and the early returns are that was correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Second of all, scouts say (and what scouts say is arguably the biggest reason most of these prospects are ranked as high as they are) that Cozart's bat is good enough for him to ultimately end up as a utility player and possibly as a starting shortstop.
    Scouts say that about hundreds of kids every year who never make a dent in the majors. In Cozart's case, it's just been easier to spot how wrong they likely were on a quicker timetable.

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Third of all, it's not like he was striking out every other at-bat. Granted, he didn't drive the ball well, but at least he made contact.
    IMO, nothing's scarier than feckless contact. With a guy like Drew Stubbs you can at least postulate that more contact will net better results. What's the argument for Cozart? That he'll get an HGH prescription?
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