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    Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    I'm not sure the Reds are interested in locking up Dunn. Krivsky's persistent adding of marginal outfielders and first basemen this off-season, combined with the Votto LF experiment that began last year, gives the team options for replacing the big guy with some kind of platoon, perhaps around the same time Bruce arrives from the minors (thus quelling any hue and cry around a Dunn trade).

    He can be traded starting June 15. Early enough that other teams may see him as a difference maker in 08. Late enough that draftees from 07 can be in the return.

    The big guy plays a position that’s easy to fill (and he doesn’t play it all that well). His body has begun to show the first signs of wear. His salary is huge and getting huger.

    I am intrigued by the possibility of Krivsky working something with the Rangers. He and Jon Daniels have already made one big trade work. I have not been real high on Taylor Teagarden in the past, but after reading more about him I'm starting to think he may be the best chance the Reds have of getting a good young catcher -- a very rare commodity these days. Texas has made public statements that Saltalamacchia is going to catch – which indicates Teagarden has no future there.

    Texas needs a bat like Dunn’s. They say they’re looking for a corner OF – plus they have no pure DH. With their cash, and being a hometown team for Dunn, they’d have an awfully good chance of locking him up long-term – especially if they made an offer during the season.

    Would you blow a gasket if the Reds unloaded Dunn for Teagarden and, say, one of the Rangers good young arms? (Beavan, Main, Matt Harrison, etc. – they have lots.)

    I said it early in the offseason – the Reds catching corps is very weak. If Tatum does not make a strong step forward with the bat this year, there is no discernable help of any kind on the horizon. There are enough young bats around now (provided they don’t deal Votto) that to sacrifice Dunn becomes a reasonable option, knowing you’re going to lock down the catcher position for the foreseeable future -- with a kid who can hit some.

    I really think the Reds are consciously working their roster right now to keep this possibility in play heading up to June 15. If Dunn plays well and the trade market for him is cool, he could be signed later in the year – but I’d be surprised if he gets a LTC before June 15.
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    Re: Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    I'd be shocked if he's here past this season, I think the Reds are going to see how 08 plays out, and if they fall apart then June 15 is a perfect date to decide to start looking toward next year.
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    Re: Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    I'd be shocked if he's here past this season, I think the Reds are going to see how 08 plays out, and if they fall apart then June 15 is a perfect date to decide to start looking toward next year.
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    Re: Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    Yes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    The Reds are taking the normal progression of signings. First Belisle then, looks like now, Phillips. If Dunn's knee looks sound in the spring I think an LTC will be forthcoming.
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    Re: Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    Call me crazy, but I think trading away Dunn represents the best way to bring the Reds up to the next level. As we've all seen, while Dunn is a very valuable guy, his defensive shortcomings take a fairly large chunk out of his offensive performance. While he might be "worth" $12M per, I think we can replace him more easily than we can replace talent elsewhere. While he's most certainly an asset, I wonder if we can't trade him for some younger impact guy(s), while spending his money in FA to address other issues.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    He's worth a lot more than twelve million per on the open market.

    He plays the least-important defensive position in all of MLB. Compare his defense to the rest of left-fielders playing MLB.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    Trading Dunn honestly depends on the return.

    If the return can address current weaknesses and turn them into strengths, then sure.

    Unfortunately I don't think we'd get what can help us if we traded Dunn, therefore we should keep him for a long, long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    He plays the least-important defensive position in all of MLB. Compare his defense to the rest of left-fielders playing MLB.
    He rates at least 10 runs worse than the average LF, defensively. Granted, his offense is in the 45 runs above average range, but that nets him out at 35 runs above average overall. While that's still quite solid, it's hardly elite. You won't find me bashing Dunn, he's a valuable player and will earn the $80M+ contract I think he's likely to get. However, I just think he's more replaceable from an overall value perspective than we sometimes think he is. Consider also that we could theoretically replace him with any OF, a 1B (Votto to LF), or a 3B (EE to LF, or to 1B and Votto to LF). Combine that with the reality that his skill set doesn't tend to age well, and I think Dunn represents a good opportunity to cash in our chips and move to the next casino.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 02-15-2008 at 12:10 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    I agree with you somewhat... I've thought all along that the right move was to move Dunn to first, trade Votto for pitching, move Griffey to left, put Bruce in RF and leave him there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
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    Re: Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    Damn matrix.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 02-15-2008 at 12:11 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    RMR are you caught in the Matrix?
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    RMR are you caught in the Matrix?
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Is Dunn next to stay, or go?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    You posted the exact same thing before and after my post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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