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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan View Post
    With new Coach Richy Rich Fraudriguez, the Wolverines will be ranked #1...with a bullett.
    I've never scene such vitriol for a coach as I have from you WVU fans.

    Charming it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    I've never scene such vitriol for a coach as I have from you WVU fans.

    Charming it is.

    I was serious. He's one helluva coach. He'll win plenty.

    It's his integrity that gets to me, but winning is the only thing.

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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Whatever helps to make the Reds better.
    Well in the scenario where Hopper and Freel get that many at-bats, as Jojo said, there would have to be serious injury issues in the OF.

    After that, if Freel and Hopper get injured, there only going to be worse players getting at-bats. Those guys getting injured wouldn't help unless we had an array of younger, better alterntives in house. Which we don't.

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    About the Ms - for some reason PECOTA seems to struggle with Japanese players. I've had Ichiro & Jojima on my fantasy teams for years, and I use PECOTA for my drafts every year, and PECOTA always way undershoots both players production. Not sure why that is.

    Seems like a few teams are given a little too much credit as well.

    Oakland has a lot of rosy pitching predictions I wouldn't bet money on.

    And 72 wins for the Giants is a stretch. That team is going to be Awful with a Capital A. Have you seen that lineup? Wow...just wow.

    Houston will struggle to get 74 as well. They've got Oswalt and four stiffs as a rotation.

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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19 View Post
    Houston will struggle to get 74 as well. They've got Oswalt and four stiffs as a rotation.
    I really like Wandy Rodriguez

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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    My biggest gripe about our PECOTA is the playing time distribution.

    - 400 PA for Hatteberg
    - 400+ PA for Hopper
    - 500+ PA for Freel
    - 65 PA for Juan Castro
    - Only 152 PA for Bruce
    - Only 330 PA for Votto

    Most of the pitching lines look pretty reasonable. However, it's not really optimistic about anybody in the pen, and it gives 35 IP to Sergio Valenzuela despite an 8.38 ERA, 2.08 WHIP and -11.3 VORP. Firstly, how in the heck does he make the roster? Secondly, what manager in baseball would continue to run out that level of performance.

    A better distribution of playing time on on the offensive end, which is certainly not guaranteed, would net us 2 or 3 wins right there. That puts us around .500, which strikes me as fair. A little luck, a breakout or two on the staff and we're right there. A little bad luck, a breakdown or two on the staff, and it's back to the cellar.
    Yep, that's pretty much the difference between PECOTA's take and my own take; PECOTA's take is more on the low end for me. Right now I have the Reds pinned down for around 82-83 wins, but that's just guessing how the roster will shape up for most of the season. I should also add that a lot of that "guessing" on the roster includes "hoping" that certain bad players just won't be on it.

    I do think the Reds' youth makes this a much more volatile bunch than we've seen in past seasons. In past seasons, I was pretty comfortable with a +/- error margin of only a few games each way, but I can see scenarios in which the Reds win as few as 77 games and as many as possibly 86 or 87 games.

    IMO, the Reds do actually have enough talent in the organization to compete for the NL Central title if 87ish wins can win the division. The problem is we're likely to see poor roster management that hands playing time to bad players and cuts down the win total by a game or three.
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    FWIW, I sent Nate Silver an email asking about the playing time projections -- I doubt I'll hear back from him (I'm 0-3 so far) though. Will Carroll on the other hand is 2-2. By the way, Will posted on a guest article on C Trent's blog -- a nice little Reds themed PECOTA primer.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    FWIW, I sent Nate Silver an email asking about the playing time projections -- I doubt I'll hear back from him (I'm 0-3 so far) though. Will Carroll on the other hand is 2-2. By the way, Will posted on a guest article on C Trent's blog -- a nice little Reds themed PECOTA primer.
    Good luck hearing back from Silver. I sent him an two last year - one of my big pet peeves is that BPs entire stat area has eight bajillion stats available for viewing except OPS - and it's not like OPS is trademarked or someone else's IP. I also let him know when some rate stats didn't seem to be correct in one of his columns and he didn't respond to either.

    Which is opposite of the rest of the BP staff who usually get right back to you.

    And Will Carroll's good people - he used to be a Redszone poster after all.

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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I wouldn't mind buying a James Shields jersey. I love the way he pitches. Oh yeah, and he carried my fantasy baseball team last year
    Note to self- BaseClogger likes to have James Shields on his fantasy teams. I'll keep this info in mind BC!!! LOL!!!

    As far as Pecota and the Reds finishing 3rd, I think that sounds right. Coming up with the 100 runs shouldn't be too much of a challenge IF Bruce and Votto perform as expected and the team can stay relatively healthy. The 10 additional wins (and even more) will come from Arroyo having a better year; Matt Belisle maturing another year; the bullpen not blowing 4 potential wins each of the last two years that would have made Harang a 20 games winner in '06 and '07 with - Cordero,Weathers, Burton +the others ;plus two of the following three win 10 games each in 2008-Bailey, Cueto and/or Volquez. Who would have thought Tom Browning would have won 20 games as a rookie? So getting 20 wins total from those three hopefully won't be a reach.

    You know if everything fell right...... nah, not gonna do it. LOL!!!

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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I love the underdog so this should be a fun season.

    The Ms need a miracle, the Reds just need lots of things to go right and my guilty pleasure in the AL east just needs to not be eliminated before labor day for a moral victory.
    http://baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/index.php
    Have you seen the latest update? Pecota projects the Rays to win 89 games with the best RA in the AL.
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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    Quote Originally Posted by blumj View Post
    http://baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/index.php
    Have you seen the latest update? Pecota projects the Rays to win 89 games with the best RA in the AL.
    I hadn't noticed their latest tweak. Baseball is more interesting with a third party seriously contending to knock one of the big dogs out of the playoffs in AL east IMHO.

    I hope it happens.
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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I hadn't noticed their latest tweak. Baseball is more interesting with a third party seriously contending to knock one of the big dogs out of the playoffs in AL east IMHO.

    I hope it happens.
    Sure, of course, from my perspective, it would kind of suck, because I know which AL east "big dog" CAN be knocked off, and it's not going to be the one in NY. Also, the Jays did do it in '06, just not well enough to put themselves in the playoff picture instead.
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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    bump

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    Re: Pecota Projects the NL Central....

    not a particularly impressive set of projections -- but that's baseball


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