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    World Match Play: Who You Got?

    Here is the bracket:

    http://i.cdn.turner.com/pgatour/docs...match-play.pdf

    Action starts on Wednesday. Top 64 in the world in attendance.

    Tiger should breeze through his bracket and make the final four. Aaron Baddely in round 3 and KJ Choi in round 4 have the best shots to knock him off IMO.

    In the Hogan bracket I like Henrik Stenson, last years champ. Surprise pick would be Martin Kaymer, he is young German who has already won on the European Tour this season.

    The Player bracket looks to be Phil's but can he and Tiger both make the final 4? It has never happened before IIRC. Both guys are playing really well though. If I had to pick someone else I would go with Justin Rose. For a sleeper, Nick O'Hern, though he is no sleeper to a certain number one ranked player.

    Lastly, the Snead bracket. Lots of choices here. Steve Stricker is the number one seed but he doesn't strike me as a match play kind of guy. For a pick i will say Hunter Mahan, just for the hell of it. I hope it is Stricker, I have really grown to like him over the last year. His story should inspire EVERY golfer. My surprise pick in this bracket is the number 16 seed, Daniel Chopra.

    Woods, Stenson, Rose, Mahan, those are my official picks.

    Badds, Kaymer, O'Hern, Chopra for the sleepers.

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    Re: World Match Play: Who You Got?

    I'll go with Tiger, Fasth, Scott and Mahan.

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    Re: World Match Play: Who You Got?

    Jones bracket possible winners
    Woods
    Toms
    Poulter

    Hogan bracket possible winners
    Els
    Goosen
    Stenson
    Scott
    Garcia

    Best bracket, IMO

    Player bracket possible winners
    Ogilvy
    Rose
    Singh
    Fasth

    This is a weak bracket

    Snead bracket possible winners
    Cabrera
    Donald
    Furyk
    Harrington
    Cink
    Jimenez



    So, realisically, I think only these 18 out of 64 guys have a good shot. The other 46 might win a match, but that's about it.

    For whatever reason I just see Tiger as dangerous this year, really out to prove something, so it wouldn't surprise me if he stomped this match play tourney on his way to a ridiculous 2008.

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    Re: World Match Play: Who You Got?

    Ernie Els, you should be ashamed of yourself.

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    I don't think he has anything to be ashamed of. Ernie is headed down the Greg Norman route. The world travel is catching up to him, he isn't sure where he really lives (Florida, Cape Town, London, Dubai) and he has other interest, like design. He says he wants to hunt down Tiger but that is only because the media won't let him get away with saying anything else. Els knows he is on the downside. His downside is still better than 85% of the pros on a typical day. I don't think today was a typical day.

    What about Jim Furyk losing to Monty? Monty as a 15 seed is on the verge of not even qualifying for the event and a top five player in the world can't beat him? Shows why the US should be the underdog when the Ryder Cup rolls around. The Europeans feed of the match play format. The US Tour should add at least two more match play events and one of them should be added to the Fed Ex-Cup Play-offs. IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaineRed View Post
    What about Jim Furyk losing to Monty? Monty as a 15 seed is on the verge of not even qualifying for the event and a top five player in the world can't beat him? Shows why the US should be the underdog when the Ryder Cup rolls around. The Europeans feed of the match play format. The US Tour should add at least two more match play events and one of them should be added to the Fed Ex-Cup Play-offs. IMO.

    Match play is crazy. And I mean that in a good way. A few bad holes can kill you whereas in tournament play you can make those up. You can't shoot 63 the next day and make up for it. Adding a couple of match play tour events might be a good idea but do the Euros have any more than we do? Also, and most importantly, what do the sponsors and the networks think about it? Will it get people to watch any more than they would if it was just a regular stroke play event? I think you'd have to guarantee Tiger's participation if they did that or else it probably wouldn't be worth it.
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    Kids in Europe grow up playing almost nothing but Match Play so we are way behind in that regard.

    The Euros do have more than we do. This tournament is co-sponspored by all the major tours so this is a European Tour event as well. They also have the World Match Play at Wentworth in London and there is also the HSBC Champions tournament in China that is match play.

    I'm not sure why you have to guarantee participation from Tiger but I would want to have ALL the top players, not just Tiger. There are about 25 tournaments a year that survive without Tiger, I think a match play event without him could as well.

    The problem is TV. Two man final rounds don't make for great TV. I really like Henrik Stenson, who won this tourney last season and the final round victory was the least amount of fun of all six of his wins. You watch them hit their drives and then 5 minutes. Then fairway shots, then another five minutes. You get more commercials than anything. But the first four days are great. Lots of action instead of just following Tiger and Phil around with a few on video highlights of other golfers mixed in.

    BTW the entire PGA championship, perhaps short of some qualifying rounds, used to be match play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaineRed View Post
    Kids in Europe grow up playing almost nothing but Match Play so we are way behind in that regard.

    The Euros do have more than we do. This tournament is co-sponspored by all the major tours so this is a European Tour event as well. They also have the World Match Play at Wentworth in London and there is also the HSBC Champions tournament in China that is match play.

    I'm not sure why you have to guarantee participation from Tiger but I would want to have ALL the top players, not just Tiger. There are about 25 tournaments a year that survive without Tiger, I think a match play event without him could as well.

    The problem is TV. Two man final rounds don't make for great TV. I really like Henrik Stenson, who won this tourney last season and the final round victory was the least amount of fun of all six of his wins. You watch them hit their drives and then 5 minutes. Then fairway shots, then another five minutes. You get more commercials than anything. But the first four days are great. Lots of action instead of just following Tiger and Phil around with a few on video highlights of other golfers mixed in.

    BTW the entire PGA championship, perhaps short of some qualifying rounds, used to be match play.

    Tiger = ratings. Without him it's not going to get significantly better ratings than if it were just a regular tour event without him or if he didn't make the cut or was out of it.

    Tiger should be a wiz at match play. It's mano a mano so his competition is right there playing against him. Plus Tiger won, what, 3 U.S. Amateurs in a row playing match play format.

    That's good information about the Euros. I wasn't aware of that.

    If you were to televise a final match play round, it may be better if they showed it on tape delay and edited some of the in between shots stuff out.
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    Tiger is a whiz at match play. His problem comes when he has to play with someone else in the fourball or foursomes. I am pretty sure his individual match play record, even as a pro is suberb.

    I realize the ratings would be worse with no Tiger. That is obvious and like I said, I would want Tiger in the tournament anyways. I think it would have to be a WGC event where you have the top 64 or so. A match play tourney made up of your typical John Deere Classic field wouldn't work.

    The tape delay idea is a good one. What makes the final even worse is the fact that it is 36 holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Match play is crazy. And I mean that in a good way. A few bad holes can kill you whereas in tournament play you can make those up.
    Just a quick correction... A couple bad holes in stroke play - let's say back to back 8s - and your tournament is done. Back to back 8s in match play and you've only (likely) lost two holes, with plenty of chance to make up for it in that very match.

    IMO, match play is so much different from stroke play because the mental aspect is more of a weapon (or a liability). For example, sometimes being outdriven is a good thing because you're the one that can first apply pressure by hitting your approach on the green. Also, you can concede the short putts early and make him putt them later in the pressure packed holes. And then there's the mano vs. mano aspect. You vs. me. My will vs. yours. Some thrive under those conditions, and some falter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwball View Post
    Just a quick correction... A couple bad holes in stroke play - let's say back to back 8s - and your tournament is done. Back to back 8s in match play and you've only (likely) lost two holes, with plenty of chance to make up for it in that very match.

    IMO, match play is so much different from stroke play because the mental aspect is more of a weapon (or a liability). For example, sometimes being outdriven is a good thing because you're the one that can first apply pressure by hitting your approach on the green. Also, you can concede the short putts early and make him putt them later in the pressure packed holes. And then there's the mano vs. mano aspect. You vs. me. My will vs. yours. Some thrive under those conditions, and some falter.
    You make some great points and you're absolutely correct. I wasn't at all surprised JB gave Tiger a good run yesterday. In match play, JB could play balls-to-the-wall and hit driver on every hole. It wouldn't matter if he knocked one out of play because he would only lose one hole. In stroke play, it'd be 2 shots, but in match the reward of smashing the driver on all holes outweighs the risk for someone like JB.

    Match play is great. I only get to play in one match play tournament a year and I always look forward to it. I used to play in the Cincy Met as well. Fun times. It's such a different game. I remember hitting 'change-ups' with my driver so I could hit first into the green. I'd also hit 'change-ups' on par 3's to hopefully get my opponent to knock the same club over the green. And like screwball said, give a few short ones, but then make them putt some later. Keep your opponent on their toes at all times. The old saying in match play is "first one on, first one in usually wins."

    BTW, I'm a little late in this thread, but I told my boss the other day I thought Padraig would win. I'll stick with him.

    Over the next couple of days, we'll see a lot of upsets (according to the rankings). Rankings in this event mean a lot less than other sports like the NCAA bball tournament. The difference between #64 to #1 is very small over one round as we saw with JB and Tiger yesterday.
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    Heartbreaking loss for J.B., leading Tiger by three with only five or six holes to go, and let it get away. He'll remember yesterday for the rest of his life. One thing I've been looking forward to since he joined the tour two years ago was seeing him finish ahead of Tiger in a regular PGA event. A win yesterday would have been even sweeter.

    FWIW and I've never mentioned it, but I'm a huge fan of J.B. and have watched his golf career since he began playing on the high school varsity team as a third grader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macro View Post
    Heartbreaking loss for J.B., leading Tiger by three with only five or six holes to go, and let it get away. He'll remember yesterday for the rest of his life. One thing I've been looking forward to since he joined the tour two years ago was seeing him finish ahead of Tiger in a regular PGA event. A win yesterday would have been even sweeter.

    FWIW and I've never mentioned it, but I'm a huge fan of J.B. and have watched his golf career since he began playing on the high school varsity team as a third grader.
    I'm a J.B. fan too. He's fun to watch and great for the tour.

    It was a heartbreaking loss for J.B., but he didn't let it get away. Tiger took the match with 3 birdies and and an eagle in a row from holes 14-17. J.B. should be proud of how he played and will hopefully gain a lot more confidence after that match.
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    Tiger just completed his second round victory over Aaron Oberholser, 3 & 2.

    Next up he faces the winner of the David Toms / Aaron Baddeley match, which I believe is in extra holes right now.

    EDIT: He'll play Baddeley. Toms withdrew before the match even started.
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    I agree with what you said before Screwball. Other than Tiger very few Tour pros can overcome a couple of really bad holes and then WIN the tournament. Match play is different. Tiger knocked his first shot OB yesterday and still won. It is doubtful that he would have been leading the tournament after day one if he had done that in a stroke play event.

    The match play has been/is very exciting today (Thursday). Most Thursdays and Fridays aren't this exciting during a normal tourney. I think that makes up for the possible stinker match you might get on Sunday and to a lesser degree, Saturday.

    That Stricker/Mahan match was super and the Stenson/Immelman match is as well.


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