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    Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    Pretty crazy. Nothing like an 1100% raise. Work I've seen suggests that players typically get 40% of FA value in their first arb year, 60% in the 2nd, and 80% in the 3rd. That would value Howard at $25M in FA. Though I can't help but wonder if he's getting favorable treatment for getting screwed out of a year or two by Jim Thome's presence on the Phillies.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...tnered=rss_phi

    For a 28 year old with negative defensive value, good for Howard to get his money now. He's going to be a DH by the end of the decade, in my opinion.
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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    Pandora's box, slippery slope, etc...

    Where does it go from here?

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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    Not a bad deal for a guy who regressed seriously last season and set the all time strike out record.

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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    $10 mil for Howard eh?

    Phillies Phans won't be happy. Howard will go from beloved to regularly booed in less than two years.
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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    The people who should be most happy are all the players who now get to use that as a first year comp. Visa versa for the fans of the teams of those players.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    All the more reason to lock up Phillips when we did. That was a good move by Wayne.

    Even first year arb cases are getting crazy. It used to be that the first year was only a modest raise.

    Ironically though, I guess when the Reds lock up guys like Phillips (and the Indians with their young players) it makes the comps for 1st year arb eligilbe players go through the roof and add to the problem later on.
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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Ironically though, I guess when the Reds lock up guys like Phillips (and the Indians with their young players) it makes the comps for 1st year arb eligilbe players go through the roof and add to the problem later on.
    I'm pretty sure you can only use the results of other arb cases, not guys under LTC. That said, I imagine most guys signing long term deals make less in their first year of the contract than they would have made in arbitration.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I'm pretty sure you can only use the results of other arb cases, not guys under LTC. That said, I imagine most guys signing long term deals make less in their first year of the contract than they would have made in arbitration.
    You might be right, but I'm not so sure. For example, I know that in the last year of arb, they can compare themselves to any player regardless of service time. Naturally, the bulk of those big money comps did not get their awards in arb, they got them through free agency.

    You do bring up a good point about most LTC being backloaded though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    $10 mil for Howard eh?

    Phillies Phans won't be happy. Howard will go from beloved to regularly booed in less than two years.
    He strikes out too much and doesn't hit in the clutch
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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    $10 mil for Howard eh?

    Phillies Phans won't be happy. Howard will go from beloved to regularly booed in less than two years.
    Looks like Pat Burrell might be off the hook a lil bit now.

    Let's see if Phillies Phans run Howard out of town like they did Abreu.

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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    It's good for him, but kind of scary for small market teams.

    This is definitely hypothetical, but what happens if this is Jay Bruce in 3 years??

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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    It's good for him, but kind of scary for small market teams.

    This is definitely hypothetical, but what happens if this is Jay Bruce in 3 years??
    We better get him signed after year 2.
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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    This is definitely hypothetical, but what happens if this is Jay Bruce in 3 years??
    He'll be booed for making too much money.

    Reds fans love prospects when they're cheap, but they have several problems with established, great players when those players cost some coin.
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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    Corrected this one for you Cyclone.

    Reds fans love prospects when they're cheap, but they have several problems with established, mediocre players when those players cost some coin. And they hate Adam Dunn whenever he doesn't hit a homer.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Ryan Howard wins $10M arb case

    I have a feeling that Howard will have a tough year next season. He regressed from the NL MVP to an Adam Dunn type player (not that being an Adam Dunn type player is a bad thing). I think the Philly fans will expect him to return to MVP form especially for what he is being paid.


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