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    Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    Three more players who could receive contract extensions before Opening Day: Blue Jays outfielder Alex Rios, Reds third baseman Edwin Encarnacion and Pirates closer Matt Capps. Rios will earn $4.835 million in his first year of arbitration. Encarnacion and Capps will be eligible for arbitration after this season.

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    Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin? Vote Yes or No on whether you would like to see him receive a LTC before Opening Day. I voted yes, as I think we could get him rather cheap as he is yet to have a breakthrough season.
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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    What's the rush? Has Edwin proven he's our starting third baseman for the next four/five years? I like the kid but I don't see the need for an LTC at this point.

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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    See what he does this year. Right now, that's putting the cart WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY in front of the horse.

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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    I would consider giving him three years. Past that, I want to see what Frazier, Fransisco, and Waring can do. I think one will pan out into a very good third baseman. I really like Waring too. It would be cool to see what he could do power wise in GABP.
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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    I would at least wait until the year starts to see where he is before even thinking about a long term contract. We saw last year what happened to Todd Coffey, we don't need that again. Make the kid earn it, or there is plenty of talent waiting in the wings.

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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    I agree with everyone else on the idea of waiting. He still needs to prove to us that he's our man, which we have yet to see.
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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    Only way id want a LTC for Edwin is if he can produce a full season

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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    A LTC is relatively low risk, probably lower than the BP deal.
    Because he is able to walk and has reasonably good plate discipline, its unlikely that EE will become bad enough to be replaceable soon. He has improved on defense and should continue to. People forget that he's the same age as Votto because he's been around for 3 years. EE's contract would be cheap enough so that he could be traded if needed.

    BP was worth only 0.1 Wins more in offense last year. That's basically nothing. In 2006 EE was worth 1.5 more Wins. EE would also be signed in his prime years (25-30) compared to (27-32) for BP. By that time most of BPs value (defense) should pretty much be gone.

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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    I like EdE but I think its too early to offer a long term deal. I would wait until this season is over at the very least. He's not even elligible for arb until next year.

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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    This question is really a toss-up. If management offers him a long-term contract now, they might get him cheaper than if they wait. Based on Edwin's performance in winter ball, I'd say he might be in for a truly breakout year. If that's the case, he could command quite a sum in arbitration, or an even higher amount for a long-term deal. This is a tough decision I'd say. That's why they pay Krivsky the big bucks I guess.

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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    How long are you talking?
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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    A deal like Cano's is what I'd model it after, but maybe just a little bit lower. Having 2 options in 2 years of FA is very important. Something like 2/4/6/8/12/13 with the 12/13 options looks reasonable. Both these players have the same service time.

    That's a 6/45 with guaranteed 4/20
    Cano was 6/57 with guaranteed 4/28

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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    Mlbtraderumors.com says that next year is his first arbitration year. If Rosenthal is correct and the Reds are seeking to give Edwin a LTC before Opening Day, it may mean they believe he is ready for a breakthrough year. If you wait to see how he does this year, I imagine the price to sign Edwin to a LTC would be much higher.

    Frazier, Francisco, and Waring are all talented prospects, but they have yet to make the major leagues, and all 3 could end up being busts. I don't know that the Reds will sign him to a LTC, but I imagine it could end up being 3-5 years with 1 or 2 option years.

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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    Quote Originally Posted by mlbfan30 View Post
    A deal like Cano's is what I'd model it after, but maybe just a little bit lower. Having 2 options in 2 years of FA is very important. Something like 2/4/6/8/12/13 with the 12/13 options looks reasonable. Both these players have the same service time.

    That's a 6/45 with guaranteed 4/20
    Cano was 6/57 with guaranteed 4/28
    Hold on now. Robinson Cano has played almost three full seasons and has a .835 career OPS, at a position where the average starter is at .767. Encarnacion has a .798 career OPS at a position where the average starter is at .838. 4/20 is crazy - I think Edwin would have to get markedly better to even get $20M over the next 4 years if we just took him through arbitration.

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    Re: Are you in favor of a LTC for Edwin?

    what has EE done to warrant one? Can't forget that dismal first half of last year. Maybe if he produces some solid numbers over the next two years.
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