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    Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    This is just intended as a reference. Feel free to discuss how good/bad the contracts are. To make the list, a player must be on the 40-man roster or have Major League experience. I apologize if the format is too sloppy--I couldn't think of a better way to do it.

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    NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012
    
    Jon Adkins		RP  30	 2.045	minor league
    
    Jeremy Affeldt		RP  28	 6.000	 3.0mm
    
    Drew T. Anderson	OF  26	 0.021	pre-arbitration
    
    Bronson Arroyo		SP  31	 5.150	 6.45mm		 9.5mm		11.0mm		11.0mm co
    											 2.0mm bo
    Homer Bailey		SP  21	 0.041	pre-arbitration
    
    Paul Bako		 C  35	 9.140	minor league
    
    Kevin Barker		1B  32	 0.148	minor league
    
    Matt Belisle		SP  27	 3.024	 1.25mm
    
    Bill Bray		RP  24	 1.112	pre-arbitration
    
    Jim Brower		RP  35	 6.040	minor league
    
    NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012
    
    Jared Burton		RP  26	 1.000	pre-arbitration
    
    Jolbert Cabrera		IF  35	 5.057	minor league
    
    Juan Castro		IF  35	11.024	 0.975mm	 1.1mm co
    							 0.1mm bo
    Todd Coffey		RP  27	 2.135	 0.925mm
    
    Alvin Colina		 C  26	 0.024	pre-arbitration
    
    Francisco Cordero	RP  32	 8.046	 9.0mm		12.0mm		12.0mm		12.0mm		12.0mm co
    													 1.0mm bo
    Jon Coutlangus		RP  27	 0.161	pre-arbitration
    
    Chris Dickerson		OF  25	 0.000	pre-arbitration
    
    Adam Dunn		OF  28	 6.074	13.0mm
    
    Edwin Encarnacion	3B  25	 2.085	pre-arbitration
    
    NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012
    
    Josh Fogg		SP  31	 6.030	 1.0mm
    
    Ryan Freel		UT  32	 4.140	 3.0mm		 4.0mm
    
    Richie Gardner		SP  26	 0.000	pre-arbitration
    
    Dave Gassner		SP  29	 0.009	minor league
    
    Jerry Gil		UT  25	 1.130	minor league
    
    Alex Gonzalez		SS  31	 9.034	 4.625mm	 5.375mm	 6.0mm mo
    							 0.125mm bonus w/ Gold Glove in 2008
    Andy Green		2B  30	 1.120	minor league
    
    Ken Griffey, Jr.	OF  38	19.000	12.5mm		16.5mm co
    							 4.0mm bo
    Ryan Hanigan		 C  27	 0.027	pre-arbitration
    
    Aaron Harang		SP  29	 5.061	 6.75mm		11.0mm		12.5mm		12.75mm co
    											 2.0mm bo
    											*option escalates to 13.0mm w/ 210 IP in 2010
    											*if traded, 2011 is 14.0mm mo w/ 2.5mm bo
    NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012
    
    Scott Hatteberg		1B  38	11.070	 1.85mm
    
    Norris Hopper		OF  29	 1.043	pre-arbitration	
    
    Paul Janish		IF  25	 0.000	pre-arbitration
    
    Jeff Keppinger		IF  27	 1.052	pre-arbitration
    
    Justin Lehr		RP  30	 1.049	minor league
    
    Mike Lincoln		RP  32	 3.067	minor league
    
    Bobby Livingston	SP  25	 0.107	pre-arbitration
    
    Marcus McBeth		RP  27	 0.073	pre-arbitration
    
    Gary Majewski		RP  28	 2.117	pre-arbitration
    
    Kent Mercker		RP  40	15.106	minor league
    
    NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012
    
    Chris Michalak		RP  37	 1.142	minor league
    
    Ty Pelland		RP  24	 0.000	pre-arbitration
    
    Adam Pettyjohn		SP  30	 1.086	minor league
    
    Andy Phillips		IF  30	 2.055	minor league
    
    Brandon Phillips	2B  26	 3.022	 2.75mm		 4.75mm		 6.75mm		11.0mm		12.0mm co
    													 1.0mm bo
    Ramon Ramirez		RP  25	 0.000	pre-arbitration
    
    Dave Ross		 C  31	 5.001	 2.525mm	 3.5mm co
    							 0.375mm bo
    Brad Salmon		RP  28	 0.082	minor league
    
    Scott Sauerbeck		RP  36	 7.000	minor league
    
    Tom Shearn		SP  30	 0.036	minor league
    
    NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012
    
    Alex Smit		SP  22	 0.000	pre-arbitration
    
    Mike Stanton		RP  40	18.039	 3.0mm		 2.5mm co
    							 0.5mm bo
    							2009 option is guaranteed at 2.75mm w/ 140 appearances in 2007-8
    Ricky Stone		RP  33	 3.048	minor league
    
    Craig Tatum		 C  25	 0.000	pre-arbitration
    
    Daryl Thompson		SP  22	 0.000	pre-arbitration
    
    Javier Valentin		 C  32	 7.036	 1.3mm
    
    Sergio Valenzuela	SP  23	 0.000	pre-arbitration
    
    Edinson Volquez		SP  24	 0.120	pre-arbitration
    
    Joey Votto		1B  24	 0.027	pre-arbitration
    
    David Weathers		RP  38	14.044	 2.75mm
    
    mm = million dollars
    mo = mutual option
    co = club option
    bo = buyout

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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    It's really sad to see Castro and Stanton on books for 2009.
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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Quote Originally Posted by cumberlandreds View Post
    It's really sad to see Castro and Stanton on books for 2009.
    Are we actually commited to them or are we only out a buyout? It's a shame we're out either one but a buyout beats eating a whole year's salary

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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    archive this-- it's useful.


    Reds are in a remarkably strong state in terms of next year's arbitrations (EdE alone unless Coffey improves or Bray hits super 2 jackpot), next year's FAs (Dunn alone; Jr is surely gone), current player options (nobody significant). There's a dicey Rule V guy, but otherwise, it really doesn't get structured better than this.

    now, we just need better players

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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Are we actually commited to them or are we only out a buyout? It's a shame we're out either one but a buyout beats eating a whole year's salary
    $100,000 buy out for Castro
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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Castro and Stanton are both club options for 2009 although Stanton has a vesting clause.
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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Ugh, the Griffey contract is killer right now....imagine what another 17 million free would do for this team!
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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Quote Originally Posted by redsrule2500 View Post
    Ugh, the Griffey contract is killer right now....imagine what another 17 million free would do for this team!

    you're late to the party

    in fact, Jr's contract looks better now than it has in years.

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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Quick question on Stanton's contract.

    Assume that Stanton is cut in spring training,

    OKAY NOW STOP CELEBRATING, THIS IS ONLY HYPOTHETICAL

    If another team(say the Cardinals) picks him up,

    AGAIN STOP CELEBRATING, NO NEED TO BEGIN IMAGINING STANTON BEING BROUGHT IN TO FACE DUNN LATE IN A GAME, WE'RE ONLY HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING HERE.


    Anyways, if the the other team picks him up, do they pick up the same contract he signed with the Reds or do they write a new one? Meaning would the vesting option transfer over to the team he signs with?
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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post
    Quick question on Stanton's contract.

    Assume that Stanton is cut in spring training,

    OKAY NOW STOP CELEBRATING, THIS IS ONLY HYPOTHETICAL

    If another team(say the Cardinals) picks him up,

    AGAIN STOP CELEBRATING, NO NEED TO BEGIN IMAGINING STANTON BEING BROUGHT IN TO FACE DUNN LATE IN A GAME, WE'RE ONLY HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING HERE.


    Anyways, if the the other team picks him up, do they pick up the same contract he signed with the Reds or do they write a new one? Meaning would the vesting option transfer over to the team he signs with?
    My understanding is that they would only have to pay him the major league minimum with the Reds picking up the rest of the tab for 2008 but if his option vested then whoever picked him up would be responsible for his entire 2009 contract.
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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    My understanding is that they would only have to pay him the major league minimum with the Reds picking up the rest of the tab for 2008 but if his option vested then whoever picked him up would be responsible for his entire 2009 contract.
    My understanding is it would depend upon whether the Cards picked him up on waivers or did they wait until he cleared waivers and became a free agent. If he's a waiver wire pickup then the Cards would take over the contract. If not then the Reds are responsible for the 2008 contract, plus the buyout (but not the incentives ) minus the major league minimum which the Cards would be responsible for.

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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    $100,000 buy out for Castro
    That's a bargain

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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    My understanding is it would depend upon whether the Cards picked him up on waivers or did they wait until he cleared waivers and because a free agent. If he's a waiver wire pickup then the Cards would take over the contract. If not then the Reds are responsible for the 2008 contract, plus the buyout (but not the incentives ) minus the major league minimum which the Cards would be responsible for.
    Hmmm... I'm not sure. I don't think a team is responsible for buyout clauses once a player is not on their roster, unless, of course, nobody picks him up. I could be wrong though.
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    Re: Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    Hmmm... I'm not sure. I don't think a team is responsible for buyout clauses once a player is not on their roster, unless, of course, nobody picks him up. I could be wrong though.
    I'm not sure either but it was my recollection that the Reds were still on the hook for Danny Graves' buyout. For example, I doubt that the Reds could cut KGR in Sept if they fall out of the race and escape that $4mill buyout.


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