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    Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    Former Reds trainer Larry Starr was featured on ESPN's Outside the Lines today (and in an ESPN.com story yesterday) about the "enablers" in MLB who looked the other way when it came to steroids. The piece talked about trainers and especially managers like Tony LaRussa (I've been banging that drum for years -- wouldn't be surprised if LaRussa has an HGH lab in his basement).

    Anyway, Starr wouldn't name the player, but said his first encounter with steroids was with a "light-hitting Reds prospect in spring training in 1984 who added 25 pounds of all muscle in the offseason and was suddenly hitting the ball much better." The reporter called him a "AA prospect who hit .400 that spring including a few home runs."

    I thought long and hard about it, but couldn't come up with the name. Maybe Nick Esasky? Doubtful. Esasky was pretty naturally big. Maybe Tracy Jones???

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column..._tj&id=3270983

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    The only ones who seem to fit under the "light hitting infielder" mold during that time are Esasky, Ron Oester, Dave Concepcion and Wayne Krenchicki.
    Oester and Concepcion didn't really improve on their numbers suddenly during that period.
    Esasky saw a lot of improvement - but that could also come from his maturing. I don't really remember his size when he came up - I would have to look at some of my older cards.
    Krenchicki saw a pretty large improvement from '83 to '84 - but this was in a utility position and could simply be luck.
    Frankly, kind of hard to tell.

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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrCinatit View Post
    The only ones who seem to fit under the "light hitting infielder" mold during that time are Esasky, Ron Oester, Dave Concepcion and Wayne Krenchicki.
    Oester and Concepcion didn't really improve on their numbers suddenly during that period.
    Esasky saw a lot of improvement - but that could also come from his maturing. I don't really remember his size when he came up - I would have to look at some of my older cards.
    Krenchicki saw a pretty large improvement from '83 to '84 - but this was in a utility position and could simply be luck.
    Frankly, kind of hard to tell.
    I'm sorry, I went back and edited. I went back and listened to the piece (I have it DVR'd) and he only said "light-hitting Reds prospect" not necessarily an infielder. I thought for some reason he said infielder but he clearly says "light-hitting prospect."

    Here is what we know: This player was in Double-A in 1983. He gained 25 pounds of muscle in the offseason and hit .400 in spring training 1984 and made the team. Could we be talking about the Tracer here?

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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    I'm sorry, I went back and edited. I went back and listened to the piece (I have it DVR'd) and he only said "light-hitting Reds prospect" not necessarily an infielder. I thought for some reason he said infielder but he clearly says "light-hitting prospect."

    Here is what we know: This player was in Double-A in 1983. He gained 25 pounds of muscle in the offseason and hit .400 in spring training 1984 and made the team. Could we be talking about the Tracer here?
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...ht=larry+starr
    Starr has gotten a lot of mileage out of this story. Back in aught 5 the year in question was 1988. As he gets older the year in question pushes further back. Twenty years from now Starr's story might be that it was a young middle infielder back int 1962 or 1963.

    Not saying that he's making it up, just that it sounds like one of those scenarios where a guy is remembering different bits and different pieces and combining them into a grand tale.
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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by ochre View Post
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...ht=larry+starr
    Starr has gotten a lot of mileage out of this story. Back in aught 5 the year in question was 1988. As he gets older the year in question pushes further back. Twenty years from now Starr's story might be that it was a young middle infielder back int 1962 or 1963.

    Not saying that he's making it up, just that it sounds like one of those scenarios where a guy is remembering different bits and different pieces and combining them into a grand tale.


    Okay, that's good enough for me. It's Tracy Jones.

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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by tixe View Post




    Okay, that's good enough for me. It's Tracy Jones.

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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by ochre View Post
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...ht=larry+starr
    Starr has gotten a lot of mileage out of this story. Back in aught 5 the year in question was 1988. As he gets older the year in question pushes further back. Twenty years from now Starr's story might be that it was a young middle infielder back int 1962 or 1963.

    Not saying that he's making it up, just that it sounds like one of those scenarios where a guy is remembering different bits and different pieces and combining them into a grand tale.
    In fairness, there is not a quote from Starr in the 2005 story that says 1988 was the first time he had an encounter with steroids. The writer draws that conclusion, but I wonder if he was taking certain liberties with the story. Starr was quoted on ESPN today saying 1984 was the first time. And he's clearly talking about two different players because he says the player in 1988 (possibly Kal Daniels) was asking him about steroids. The player in 1984 didn't say a word and Starr was just saying that was the first time he suspected someone of juicing.

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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    In fairness, there is not a quote from Starr in the 2005 story that says 1988 was the first time he had an encounter with steroids. The writer draws that conclusion, but I wonder if he was taking certain liberties with the story. Starr was quoted on ESPN today saying 1984 was the first time. And he's clearly talking about two different players because he says the player in 1988 (possibly Kal Daniels) was asking him about steroids. The player in 1984 didn't say a word and Starr was just saying that was the first time he suspected someone of juicing.
    Valid points.

    I guess I just think it is a bit untoward of Starr to continue to throw this stuff out there. It is at best irresponsible, since he gives just enough information for people to speculate on who it might be, ostensibly dragging innocent people along for the ride through the mud.
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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by ochre View Post
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...ht=larry+starr
    Starr has gotten a lot of mileage out of this story.
    <snip>

    Not saying that he's making it up, just that it sounds like one of those scenarios where a guy is remembering different bits and different pieces and combining them into a grand tale.
    That's what I was thinking when I saw this thread. I also think that if Larry Starr had any useful information to offer the steroids investigations, he would have been subpoenaed to testify before Congress and asked to name names.
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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unassisted View Post
    That's what I was thinking when I saw this thread. I also think that if Larry Starr had any useful information to offer the steroids investigations, he would have been subpoenaed to testify before Congress and asked to name names.
    Name names about light-hitting Reds players from the 1980's? Very doubtful. They want current players or at least guys who have recently retired (late 90's at the earliest). Knoblach is about as far as they are going to go back. And who knew HGH caused you to be unable to throw the ball from second base to first?

    Starr not getting interviewed was also a function of Senator Mitchell's investigation not being comprehensive enough. It's astonishing that he didn't mention any Red Sox players in his report (Ortiz is obvious). Then again, we all know why he didnt: he owns stock in the Red Sox.

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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

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    Here is what we know: This player was in Double-A in 1983.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/1983-TCMA-Waterb...02100831a12947

    Someone buy this and tell us the entire roster of that Waterbury REDS team! Enquiring minds want to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    http://cgi.ebay.com/1983-TCMA-Waterb...02100831a12947

    Someone buy this and tell us the entire roster of that Waterbury REDS team! Enquiring minds want to know.
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    C	Dave Miley	21	65	186	19	45	11	0	4	24	1	1	36	7	0	1	1	1	  	.242	.363	.366	729	--
    1B	Jeff Jones	25	91	298	52	70	7	0	17	50	7	3	57	108	5	2	2	0	  	.235	.367	.430	797	--
    2B	Carlos Porte	-	112	385	40	95	11	5	5	42	10	4	31	38	0	2	3	0	  	.247	.303	.340	643	--
    3B	Wade Rowdon	22	135	480	62	112	29	1	21	76	6	3	47	119	3	0	2	3	  	.233	.304	.429	733	--
    SS	Hector Rincones	-	135	494	50	113	14	2	2	34	17	3	20	52	2	0	4	2	  	.229	.261	.277	538	--
    OF	Leo Garcia	20	131	498	65	128	25	11	5	47	16	9	31	70	1	5	6	7	  	.257	.298	.382	680	--
    OF	Ron Little	-	101	318	35	70	11	0	9	40	3	4	31	95	1	1	3	3	  	.220	.289	.340	629	--
    OF	Eric Davis	21	89	293	56	85	13	1	15	43	39	12	65	75	5	3	0	3	  	.290	.423	.495	918	--
     
    	Lloyd McClendon	24	123	434	58	114	19	2	15	57	4	6	42	64	5	2	3	1	  	.263	.334	.419	753	--
    	Ken Scarpace	-	83	266	33	71	11	2	4	27	4	5	20	26	2	3	3	2	  	.267	.321	.368	689	--
    	Paul Kirsch	-	51	155	11	41	6	1	1	16	4	0	9	11	2	1	1	1	  	.265	.311	.335	646	--
    	Ray Corbett	-	35	96	11	19	2	1	1	6	0	1	17	31	1	0	4	0	  	.198	.325	.271	596	--
    	Dexter Day	-	36	93	12	13	2	0	1	8	8	1	16	23	2	1	0	2	  	.140	.274	.194	468	--
    	Glenn Franklin	-	26	79	10	22	3	0	0	4	5	0	6	4	1	0	0	0	  	.278	.337	.316	653	--
    	Ruben Guzman	-	20	44	5	7	0	0	1	5	0	0	6	11	1	0	1	0	  	.159	.275	.227	502	--
    	Paul O'Neill	20	14	43	6	12	0	0	0	6	2	1	6	8	0	0	0	0	  	.279	.367	.279	646	--
    	Curt Heidenreich	-	17	33	4	3	2	0	0	3	0	0	3	14	0	0	1	0	  	.091	.167	.152	319	--
    	Ron Robinson	21	20	30	2	6	1	0	0	2	0	0	2	11	0	0	6	0	  	.200	.250	.233	483	--
    	Brian Ryder	-	23	22	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	0	0	0	0	  	.045	.045	.045	090	--
    	Adolfo Feliz	-	10	20	5	4	0	0	0	1	1	0	7	6	1	0	0	0	  	.200	.429	.200	629	--
    	James Pettibone	-	18	19	1	3	0	0	0	1	0	0	4	7	0	0	3	0	  	.158	.304	.158	462	--
    	Bill Boddy	-	8	17	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	0	  	.059	.111	.059	170	--
    	Tom Browning	23	18	16	0	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	  	.250	.250	.250	500	--
    	Keefe Cato	25	7	16	3	5	1	1	0	1	0	1	2	4	1	0	1	0	  	.313	.421	.500	921	--
    	Scot Ender	-	14	8	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	1	0	  	.000	.111	.000	111	--
    	Bryan Funk	-	43	8	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	0	  	.125	.300	.125	425	--
    	Ken Jones	-	29	8	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	  	.125	.300	.125	425	--
    	Mike Smith	22	22	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	1	0	  	.000	.000	.000	000	--
    	Bill Landrum	24	17	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	  	.000	.000	.000	000	--
    	Mark Rothey	-	43	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	0	1	0	  	.000	.333	.000	333	--
    	Les Straker	23	3	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	  	.000	.333	.000	333	--
    	Mike Dowless	-	13	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	  	.000	.000	.000	000	--
    
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    ST	Brian Ryder	-	7	10	4.81	23	23	6	1	0	0	136.2	143	84	73	12	79	49	3	 	9.42	0.79	5.20	3.23	1.62	--
    ST	Ron Robinson	21	7	9	3.60	20	20	6	0	0	0	142.2	132	66	57	15	60	82	3	 	8.33	0.95	3.79	5.17	1.35	--
    ST	Tom Browning	23	4	10	3.53	18	18	3	1	0	0	117.1	100	62	46	6	63	101	3	 	7.67	0.46	4.83	7.75	1.39	--
    ST	James Pettibone	-	4	8	5.72	18	18	2	1	0	0	91.1	95	65	58	12	63	54	6	 	9.36	1.18	6.21	5.32	1.73	--
    ST	Curt Heidenreich	-	11	4	1.73	17	17	8	4	0	0	119.1	84	29	23	4	56	98	4	 	6.34	0.30	4.22	7.39	1.17	--
     
    RP	Bryan Funk	-	2	6	4.06	43	4	3	1	22	5	84.1	96	48	38	5	37	50	5	 	10.25	0.53	3.95	5.34	1.58	--
    RP	Mark Rothey	-	2	7	4.57	41	1	0	0	20	1	67.0	76	45	34	7	50	45	4	 	10.21	0.94	6.72	6.04	1.88	--
    RP	Ken Jones	-	4	5	5.32	28	7	1	0	7	0	91.1	89	70	54	9	67	55	5	 	8.77	0.89	6.60	5.42	1.71	--
     
    	Mike Smith	22	2	5	2.83	22	0	0	0	18	7	28.2	18	13	9	0	25	16	2	 	5.65	0.00	7.85	5.02	1.50	--
    	Bill Landrum	24	1	1	1.52	17	0	0	0	12	3	29.2	17	5	5	0	14	33	2	 	5.16	0.00	4.25	10.01	1.04	--
    	Bob Buchanan	22	0	1	6.50	14	0	0	0	11	2	18.0	19	13	13	2	9	12	1	 	9.50	1.00	4.50	6.00	1.56	--
    	Brett Wise	-	2	3	3.75	14	0	0	0	11	3	24.0	26	16	10	1	15	11	2	 	9.75	0.38	5.63	4.13	1.71	--
    	Scot Ender	-	6	4	4.38	14	10	4	2	0	0	74.0	66	39	36	2	46	58	3	 	8.03	0.24	5.59	7.05	1.51	--
    	Mike Dowless	-	4	4	2.85	13	11	0	0	2	1	75.2	66	29	24	7	26	55	1	 	7.85	0.83	3.09	6.54	1.22	--
    	Keefe Cato	25	3	1	3.18	7	7	3	2	0	0	51.0	37	18	18	4	9	40	2	 	6.53	0.71	1.59	7.06	0.90	--
    	Les Straker	23	0	2	9.00	3	3	0	0	0	0	10.0	16	10	10	2	6	5	0	 	14.40	1.80	5.40	4.50	2.20	--
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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    For the record, here's the Reds' 1984 Vermont AA roster:

    Code:
    Batting Statistics
    Pos	Player Name	Age	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	HBP	IBB	SH	SF	DP 	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	GB%
    C	Buddy Pryor	-	100	288	30	56	13	0	5	29	2	3	49	84	1	0	1	5	  	.194	.309	.292	601	--
    1B	Terry Lee	22	134	422	56	102	10	2	11	47	2	4	44	94	3	1	2	4	  	.242	.315	.353	668	--
    2B	Tom Riley	-	52	163	16	32	2	0	0	7	0	0	19	18	0	0	3	0	  	.196	.280	.209	489	--
    3B	Chris Sabo	22	125	441	44	94	19	1	5	38	10	5	44	62	4	1	2	4	  	.213	.288	.295	583	--
    SS	Tony Evans	-	117	334	45	69	11	3	6	40	6	7	49	72	2	2	5	4	  	.207	.308	.311	619	--
    OF	Paul O'Neill	21	134	475	70	126	31	5	16	76	29	11	52	72	2	6	0	7	  	.265	.336	.453	789	--
    OF	Ron Little	-	122	355	37	93	11	1	0	34	5	5	30	69	0	5	1	5	  	.262	.315	.299	614	--
    OF	Ruben Guzman	-	120	410	53	108	13	5	10	56	34	10	41	80	3	3	1	3	  	.263	.333	.393	726	--
     
    	Kal Daniels	20	122	415	81	130	29	4	17	62	43	11	73	59	2	5	0	1	  	.313	.418	.525	943	--
    	Glenn Franklin	-	102	324	49	98	9	5	5	43	17	2	42	26	1	3	1	5	  	.302	.379	.407	786	--
    	Lloyd McClendon	25	60	202	36	56	16	0	7	27	2	2	28	28	2	0	0	1	  	.277	.369	.460	829	--
    	Dan Lamar	-	46	141	13	23	4	0	4	20	0	0	14	32	2	0	0	1	  	.163	.247	.277	524	--
    	Carlos Porte	-	42	126	12	25	5	0	2	12	4	2	8	16	1	0	4	0	  	.198	.252	.286	538	--
    	Jeff Cox	28	38	118	19	31	2	0	0	15	1	0	18	17	1	0	2	3	  	.263	.357	.280	637	--
    	Crestwell Pratt	-	39	99	13	17	3	0	3	11	0	1	7	39	0	0	0	3	  	.172	.220	.293	513	--
    	Michael Knox	-	29	22	1	4	1	0	0	1	0	0	1	6	0	0	3	0	  	.182	.217	.227	444	--
    	Scott Terry	24	20	17	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	10	0	0	1	0	  	.059	.158	.059	217	--
    	Dave Lochner	24	27	16	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	0	  	.063	.118	.063	181	--
    	Peter Grimm	-	27	10	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	3	5	0	0	2	0	  	.100	.308	.100	408	--
    	Joe Stalp	-	24	10	2	1	0	0	0	2	0	0	1	5	0	0	3	0	  	.100	.182	.100	282	--
    	Rob Murphy	24	45	4	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	  	.500	.500	.500	1000	--
    	Matthews Bullinger	-	21	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	  	.000	.000	.000	000	--
    	Louie Trujillo	-	19	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	  	.000	.000	.000	000	--
    	Mike Smith	23	35	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	  	.000	.000	.000	000	--
    	Brett Wise	-	20	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	  	.000	.000	.000	000	--
    
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     	Player Name	Age	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SH	GF	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	WP	BK 	H9	HR9	BB9	K9	WHIP	GB%
    ST	Peter Grimm	-	10	11	3.88	27	27	5	1	0	0	155.1	147	81	67	12	56	85	4	 	8.52	0.70	3.24	4.92	1.31	--
    ST	Michael Knox	-	13	8	2.97	27	27	7	2	0	0	185.0	178	78	61	6	39	76	5	 	8.66	0.29	1.90	3.70	1.17	--
    ST	Joe Stalp	-	10	8	2.69	23	23	3	2	0	0	133.2	124	66	40	3	54	50	11	 	8.35	0.20	3.64	3.37	1.33	--
    ST	Dave Lochner	24	10	7	3.29	23	22	3	1	0	0	139.2	125	61	51	9	55	78	6	 	8.05	0.58	3.54	5.03	1.29	--
    ST	Scott Terry	24	14	3	1.50	20	20	9	6	0	0	144.0	110	31	24	1	43	100	5	 	6.88	0.06	2.69	6.25	1.06	--
     
    CL	Rob Murphy	24	2	3	2.71	45	1	0	0	25	15	69.2	57	23	21	0	35	69	7	 	7.36	0.00	4.52	8.91	1.32	--
    RP	Mike Smith	23	3	3	3.35	35	0	0	0	23	6	51.0	51	28	19	2	20	49	4	 	9.00	0.35	3.53	8.65	1.39	--
     
    	Jeff Montgomery	22	2	0	2.13	22	0	0	0	11	4	25.1	14	7	6	0	24	20	1	 	4.97	0.00	8.53	7.11	1.50	--
    	Matthews Bullinger	-	1	2	4.62	21	2	0	0	8	3	37.0	38	27	19	2	23	31	1	 	9.24	0.49	5.59	7.54	1.65	--
    	Brett Wise	-	2	1	3.21	20	0	0	0	8	2	33.2	32	18	12	1	16	24	2	 	8.55	0.27	4.28	6.42	1.43	--
    	Louie Trujillo	-	0	3	5.50	19	0	0	0	6	1	34.1	33	30	21	3	28	29	2	 	8.65	0.79	7.34	7.60	1.78	--
    	Mike Konderia	-	1	1	4.87	15	0	0	0	4	1	20.1	19	12	11	2	19	19	3	 	8.41	0.89	8.41	8.41	1.87	--
    	Bob Buchanan	23	1	2	2.18	14	0	0	0	12	6	20.2	14	8	5	0	14	18	1	 	6.10	0.00	6.10	7.84	1.35	--
    	Jim Jefferson	-	0	4	7.31	7	4	0	0	3	0	28.1	44	25	23	1	12	22	1	 	13.98	0.32	3.81	6.99	1.98	--
    	Buddy Pryor	-	0	0	0.00	1	0	0	0	1	0	1.0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	 	18.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	2.00	--
    	Crestwell Pratt	-	0	0	0.00	1	0	0	0	1	0	1.0	1	0	0	0	1	1	0	 	9.00	0.00	9.00	9.00	2.00	--
    	Jack Lind	38	0	1	2.25	1	1	0	0	0	0	4.0	8	8	1	0	3	2	0	 	18.00	0.00	6.75	4.50	2.75	--
    My dad got to enjoy 3 Reds World Championships by the time he was my age. So far, I've only gotten to enjoy one. Step it up Redlegs!

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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    Code:
    C	Dave Miley	21	65	186	19	45	11	0	4	24	1	1	36	7	0	1	1	1	  	.242	.363	.366	729	--
    1B	Jeff Jones	25	91	298	52	70	7	0	17	50	7	3	57	108	5	2	2	0	  	.235	.367	.430	797	--
    2B	Carlos Porte	-	112	385	40	95	11	5	5	42	10	4	31	38	0	2	3	0	  	.247	.303	.340	643	--
    3B	Wade Rowdon	22	135	480	62	112	29	1	21	76	6	3	47	119	3	0	2	3	  	.233	.304	.429	733	--
    SS	Hector Rincones	-	135	494	50	113	14	2	2	34	17	3	20	52	2	0	4	2	  	.229	.261	.277	538	--
    OF	Leo Garcia	20	131	498	65	128	25	11	5	47	16	9	31	70	1	5	6	7	  	.257	.298	.382	680	--
    OF	Ron Little	-	101	318	35	70	11	0	9	40	3	4	31	95	1	1	3	3	  	.220	.289	.340	629	--
    OF	Eric Davis	21	89	293	56	85	13	1	15	43	39	12	65	75	5	3	0	3	  	.290	.423	.495	918	--
     
    	Lloyd McClendon	24	123	434	58	114	19	2	15	57	4	6	42	64	5	2	3	1	  	.263	.334	.419	753	--
    	Ken Scarpace	-	83	266	33	71	11	2	4	27	4	5	20	26	2	3	3	2	  	.267	.321	.368	689	--
    	Paul Kirsch	-	51	155	11	41	6	1	1	16	4	0	9	11	2	1	1	1	  	.265	.311	.335	646	--
    	Ray Corbett	-	35	96	11	19	2	1	1	6	0	1	17	31	1	0	4	0	  	.198	.325	.271	596	--
    	Dexter Day	-	36	93	12	13	2	0	1	8	8	1	16	23	2	1	0	2	  	.140	.274	.194	468	--
    	Glenn Franklin	-	26	79	10	22	3	0	0	4	5	0	6	4	1	0	0	0	  	.278	.337	.316	653	--
    	Ruben Guzman	-	20	44	5	7	0	0	1	5	0	0	6	11	1	0	1	0	  	.159	.275	.227	502	--
    	Paul O'Neill	20	14	43	6	12	0	0	0	6	2	1	6	8	0	0	0	0	  	.279	.367	.279	646	--
    	Curt Heidenreich	-	17	33	4	3	2	0	0	3	0	0	3	14	0	0	1	0	  	.091	.167	.152	319	--
    	Ron Robinson	21	20	30	2	6	1	0	0	2	0	0	2	11	0	0	6	0	  	.200	.250	.233	483	--
    	Brian Ryder	-	23	22	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	13	0	0	0	0	  	.045	.045	.045	090	--
    	Adolfo Feliz	-	10	20	5	4	0	0	0	1	1	0	7	6	1	0	0	0	  	.200	.429	.200	629	--
    	James Pettibone	-	18	19	1	3	0	0	0	1	0	0	4	7	0	0	3	0	  	.158	.304	.158	462	--
    	Bill Boddy	-	8	17	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	0	  	.059	.111	.059	170	--
    	Tom Browning	23	18	16	0	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	  	.250	.250	.250	500	--
    	Keefe Cato	25	7	16	3	5	1	1	0	1	0	1	2	4	1	0	1	0	  	.313	.421	.500	921	--
    	Scot Ender	-	14	8	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	1	0	  	.000	.111	.000	111	--
    	Bryan Funk	-	43	8	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	0	  	.125	.300	.125	425	--
    	Ken Jones	-	29	8	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	  	.125	.300	.125	425	--
    	Mike Smith	22	22	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	1	0	  	.000	.000	.000	000	--
    	Bill Landrum	24	17	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	  	.000	.000	.000	000	--
    	Mark Rothey	-	43	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	0	1	0	  	.000	.333	.000	333	--
    	Les Straker	23	3	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	  	.000	.333	.000	333	--
    	Mike Dowless	-	13	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	  	.000	.000	.000	000	--
    
    Pitching Statistics
     	Player Name	Age	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SH	GF	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	WP	BK 	H9	HR9	BB9	K9	WHIP	GB%
    ST	Brian Ryder	-	7	10	4.81	23	23	6	1	0	0	136.2	143	84	73	12	79	49	3	 	9.42	0.79	5.20	3.23	1.62	--
    ST	Ron Robinson	21	7	9	3.60	20	20	6	0	0	0	142.2	132	66	57	15	60	82	3	 	8.33	0.95	3.79	5.17	1.35	--
    ST	Tom Browning	23	4	10	3.53	18	18	3	1	0	0	117.1	100	62	46	6	63	101	3	 	7.67	0.46	4.83	7.75	1.39	--
    ST	James Pettibone	-	4	8	5.72	18	18	2	1	0	0	91.1	95	65	58	12	63	54	6	 	9.36	1.18	6.21	5.32	1.73	--
    ST	Curt Heidenreich	-	11	4	1.73	17	17	8	4	0	0	119.1	84	29	23	4	56	98	4	 	6.34	0.30	4.22	7.39	1.17	--
     
    RP	Bryan Funk	-	2	6	4.06	43	4	3	1	22	5	84.1	96	48	38	5	37	50	5	 	10.25	0.53	3.95	5.34	1.58	--
    RP	Mark Rothey	-	2	7	4.57	41	1	0	0	20	1	67.0	76	45	34	7	50	45	4	 	10.21	0.94	6.72	6.04	1.88	--
    RP	Ken Jones	-	4	5	5.32	28	7	1	0	7	0	91.1	89	70	54	9	67	55	5	 	8.77	0.89	6.60	5.42	1.71	--
     
    	Mike Smith	22	2	5	2.83	22	0	0	0	18	7	28.2	18	13	9	0	25	16	2	 	5.65	0.00	7.85	5.02	1.50	--
    	Bill Landrum	24	1	1	1.52	17	0	0	0	12	3	29.2	17	5	5	0	14	33	2	 	5.16	0.00	4.25	10.01	1.04	--
    	Bob Buchanan	22	0	1	6.50	14	0	0	0	11	2	18.0	19	13	13	2	9	12	1	 	9.50	1.00	4.50	6.00	1.56	--
    	Brett Wise	-	2	3	3.75	14	0	0	0	11	3	24.0	26	16	10	1	15	11	2	 	9.75	0.38	5.63	4.13	1.71	--
    	Scot Ender	-	6	4	4.38	14	10	4	2	0	0	74.0	66	39	36	2	46	58	3	 	8.03	0.24	5.59	7.05	1.51	--
    	Mike Dowless	-	4	4	2.85	13	11	0	0	2	1	75.2	66	29	24	7	26	55	1	 	7.85	0.83	3.09	6.54	1.22	--
    	Keefe Cato	25	3	1	3.18	7	7	3	2	0	0	51.0	37	18	18	4	9	40	2	 	6.53	0.71	1.59	7.06	0.90	--
    	Les Straker	23	0	2	9.00	3	3	0	0	0	0	10.0	16	10	10	2	6	5	0	 	14.40	1.80	5.40	4.50	2.20	--
    Let's see here. Rowdon hit .233 in 1983 in AA ball and then makes his MLB debut in 1984? That has GOT to be who Starr was talking about. Fits everything to a T.

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    Re: Who is Larry Starr talking about?

    Wade Rowdon, anyone?

    As someone pointed out to me in a private message, he made his Reds' debut in 1984.

    I don't think it was Eric Davis. First of all, he wouldn't have been considered a "light-hitting prospect." Second of all, since he was skinnier than the Olson twins, I just don't see steroids with him. Starr said this guy went from about 169 pounds to 195 in the offseason. Davis didn't weigh 195 soaking wet in 1984.

    But Wade Rowdon, very interesting. I still think Tracy might be a possibility. When did he first come up to the bigs?


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