That's what I was thinking when I saw this thread. I also think that if Larry Starr had any useful information to offer the steroids investigations, he would have been subpoenaed to testify before Congress and asked to name names.Originally Posted by ochre
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Name names about light-hitting Reds players from the 1980's? Very doubtful. They want current players or at least guys who have recently retired (late 90's at the earliest). Knoblach is about as far as they are going to go back. And who knew HGH caused you to be unable to throw the ball from second base to first?
Starr not getting interviewed was also a function of Senator Mitchell's investigation not being comprehensive enough. It's astonishing that he didn't mention any Red Sox players in his report (Ortiz is obvious). Then again, we all know why he didnt: he owns stock in the Red Sox.
What about Kurt Stillwell?
My dad got to enjoy 3 Reds World Championships by the time he was my age. So far, I've only gotten to enjoy one. Step it up Redlegs!
http://cgi.ebay.com/1983-TCMA-Waterb...02100831a12947
Someone buy this and tell us the entire roster of that Waterbury REDS team! Enquiring minds want to know.
I agree. Either come out and name the player, or don't give an exact year. If you do, you bring the entire roster into question. You can just say "I had a player..." without naming the year.
Nope. Made his MLB debut in 1986.
Code:C Dave Miley 21 65 186 19 45 11 0 4 24 1 1 36 7 0 1 1 1 .242 .363 .366 729 -- 1B Jeff Jones 25 91 298 52 70 7 0 17 50 7 3 57 108 5 2 2 0 .235 .367 .430 797 -- 2B Carlos Porte - 112 385 40 95 11 5 5 42 10 4 31 38 0 2 3 0 .247 .303 .340 643 -- 3B Wade Rowdon 22 135 480 62 112 29 1 21 76 6 3 47 119 3 0 2 3 .233 .304 .429 733 -- SS Hector Rincones - 135 494 50 113 14 2 2 34 17 3 20 52 2 0 4 2 .229 .261 .277 538 -- OF Leo Garcia 20 131 498 65 128 25 11 5 47 16 9 31 70 1 5 6 7 .257 .298 .382 680 -- OF Ron Little - 101 318 35 70 11 0 9 40 3 4 31 95 1 1 3 3 .220 .289 .340 629 -- OF Eric Davis 21 89 293 56 85 13 1 15 43 39 12 65 75 5 3 0 3 .290 .423 .495 918 -- Lloyd McClendon 24 123 434 58 114 19 2 15 57 4 6 42 64 5 2 3 1 .263 .334 .419 753 -- Ken Scarpace - 83 266 33 71 11 2 4 27 4 5 20 26 2 3 3 2 .267 .321 .368 689 -- Paul Kirsch - 51 155 11 41 6 1 1 16 4 0 9 11 2 1 1 1 .265 .311 .335 646 -- Ray Corbett - 35 96 11 19 2 1 1 6 0 1 17 31 1 0 4 0 .198 .325 .271 596 -- Dexter Day - 36 93 12 13 2 0 1 8 8 1 16 23 2 1 0 2 .140 .274 .194 468 -- Glenn Franklin - 26 79 10 22 3 0 0 4 5 0 6 4 1 0 0 0 .278 .337 .316 653 -- Ruben Guzman - 20 44 5 7 0 0 1 5 0 0 6 11 1 0 1 0 .159 .275 .227 502 -- Paul O'Neill 20 14 43 6 12 0 0 0 6 2 1 6 8 0 0 0 0 .279 .367 .279 646 -- Curt Heidenreich - 17 33 4 3 2 0 0 3 0 0 3 14 0 0 1 0 .091 .167 .152 319 -- Ron Robinson 21 20 30 2 6 1 0 0 2 0 0 2 11 0 0 6 0 .200 .250 .233 483 -- Brian Ryder - 23 22 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 0 0 0 0 .045 .045 .045 090 -- Adolfo Feliz - 10 20 5 4 0 0 0 1 1 0 7 6 1 0 0 0 .200 .429 .200 629 -- James Pettibone - 18 19 1 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 4 7 0 0 3 0 .158 .304 .158 462 -- Bill Boddy - 8 17 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 .059 .111 .059 170 -- Tom Browning 23 18 16 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 .250 .250 .250 500 -- Keefe Cato 25 7 16 3 5 1 1 0 1 0 1 2 4 1 0 1 0 .313 .421 .500 921 -- Scot Ender - 14 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 .000 .111 .000 111 -- Bryan Funk - 43 8 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 .125 .300 .125 425 -- Ken Jones - 29 8 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 .125 .300 .125 425 -- Mike Smith 22 22 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 1 0 .000 .000 .000 000 -- Bill Landrum 24 17 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 .000 .000 .000 000 -- Mark Rothey - 43 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 1 0 .000 .333 .000 333 -- Les Straker 23 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 .000 .333 .000 333 -- Mike Dowless - 13 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 .000 .000 .000 000 -- Pitching Statistics Player Name Age W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP GB% ST Brian Ryder - 7 10 4.81 23 23 6 1 0 0 136.2 143 84 73 12 79 49 3 9.42 0.79 5.20 3.23 1.62 -- ST Ron Robinson 21 7 9 3.60 20 20 6 0 0 0 142.2 132 66 57 15 60 82 3 8.33 0.95 3.79 5.17 1.35 -- ST Tom Browning 23 4 10 3.53 18 18 3 1 0 0 117.1 100 62 46 6 63 101 3 7.67 0.46 4.83 7.75 1.39 -- ST James Pettibone - 4 8 5.72 18 18 2 1 0 0 91.1 95 65 58 12 63 54 6 9.36 1.18 6.21 5.32 1.73 -- ST Curt Heidenreich - 11 4 1.73 17 17 8 4 0 0 119.1 84 29 23 4 56 98 4 6.34 0.30 4.22 7.39 1.17 -- RP Bryan Funk - 2 6 4.06 43 4 3 1 22 5 84.1 96 48 38 5 37 50 5 10.25 0.53 3.95 5.34 1.58 -- RP Mark Rothey - 2 7 4.57 41 1 0 0 20 1 67.0 76 45 34 7 50 45 4 10.21 0.94 6.72 6.04 1.88 -- RP Ken Jones - 4 5 5.32 28 7 1 0 7 0 91.1 89 70 54 9 67 55 5 8.77 0.89 6.60 5.42 1.71 -- Mike Smith 22 2 5 2.83 22 0 0 0 18 7 28.2 18 13 9 0 25 16 2 5.65 0.00 7.85 5.02 1.50 -- Bill Landrum 24 1 1 1.52 17 0 0 0 12 3 29.2 17 5 5 0 14 33 2 5.16 0.00 4.25 10.01 1.04 -- Bob Buchanan 22 0 1 6.50 14 0 0 0 11 2 18.0 19 13 13 2 9 12 1 9.50 1.00 4.50 6.00 1.56 -- Brett Wise - 2 3 3.75 14 0 0 0 11 3 24.0 26 16 10 1 15 11 2 9.75 0.38 5.63 4.13 1.71 -- Scot Ender - 6 4 4.38 14 10 4 2 0 0 74.0 66 39 36 2 46 58 3 8.03 0.24 5.59 7.05 1.51 -- Mike Dowless - 4 4 2.85 13 11 0 0 2 1 75.2 66 29 24 7 26 55 1 7.85 0.83 3.09 6.54 1.22 -- Keefe Cato 25 3 1 3.18 7 7 3 2 0 0 51.0 37 18 18 4 9 40 2 6.53 0.71 1.59 7.06 0.90 -- Les Straker 23 0 2 9.00 3 3 0 0 0 0 10.0 16 10 10 2 6 5 0 14.40 1.80 5.40 4.50 2.20 --
My dad got to enjoy 3 Reds World Championships by the time he was my age. So far, I've only gotten to enjoy one. Step it up Redlegs!
For the record, here's the Reds' 1984 Vermont AA roster:
Code:Batting Statistics Pos Player Name Age G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF DP AVG OBP SLG OPS GB% C Buddy Pryor - 100 288 30 56 13 0 5 29 2 3 49 84 1 0 1 5 .194 .309 .292 601 -- 1B Terry Lee 22 134 422 56 102 10 2 11 47 2 4 44 94 3 1 2 4 .242 .315 .353 668 -- 2B Tom Riley - 52 163 16 32 2 0 0 7 0 0 19 18 0 0 3 0 .196 .280 .209 489 -- 3B Chris Sabo 22 125 441 44 94 19 1 5 38 10 5 44 62 4 1 2 4 .213 .288 .295 583 -- SS Tony Evans - 117 334 45 69 11 3 6 40 6 7 49 72 2 2 5 4 .207 .308 .311 619 -- OF Paul O'Neill 21 134 475 70 126 31 5 16 76 29 11 52 72 2 6 0 7 .265 .336 .453 789 -- OF Ron Little - 122 355 37 93 11 1 0 34 5 5 30 69 0 5 1 5 .262 .315 .299 614 -- OF Ruben Guzman - 120 410 53 108 13 5 10 56 34 10 41 80 3 3 1 3 .263 .333 .393 726 -- Kal Daniels 20 122 415 81 130 29 4 17 62 43 11 73 59 2 5 0 1 .313 .418 .525 943 -- Glenn Franklin - 102 324 49 98 9 5 5 43 17 2 42 26 1 3 1 5 .302 .379 .407 786 -- Lloyd McClendon 25 60 202 36 56 16 0 7 27 2 2 28 28 2 0 0 1 .277 .369 .460 829 -- Dan Lamar - 46 141 13 23 4 0 4 20 0 0 14 32 2 0 0 1 .163 .247 .277 524 -- Carlos Porte - 42 126 12 25 5 0 2 12 4 2 8 16 1 0 4 0 .198 .252 .286 538 -- Jeff Cox 28 38 118 19 31 2 0 0 15 1 0 18 17 1 0 2 3 .263 .357 .280 637 -- Crestwell Pratt - 39 99 13 17 3 0 3 11 0 1 7 39 0 0 0 3 .172 .220 .293 513 -- Michael Knox - 29 22 1 4 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 6 0 0 3 0 .182 .217 .227 444 -- Scott Terry 24 20 17 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 10 0 0 1 0 .059 .158 .059 217 -- Dave Lochner 24 27 16 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 .063 .118 .063 181 -- Peter Grimm - 27 10 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 3 5 0 0 2 0 .100 .308 .100 408 -- Joe Stalp - 24 10 2 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 5 0 0 3 0 .100 .182 .100 282 -- Rob Murphy 24 45 4 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 .500 .500 .500 1000 -- Matthews Bullinger - 21 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 000 -- Louie Trujillo - 19 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 000 -- Mike Smith 23 35 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 .000 .000 .000 000 -- Brett Wise - 20 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 .000 .000 .000 000 -- Pitching Statistics Player Name Age W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP GB% ST Peter Grimm - 10 11 3.88 27 27 5 1 0 0 155.1 147 81 67 12 56 85 4 8.52 0.70 3.24 4.92 1.31 -- ST Michael Knox - 13 8 2.97 27 27 7 2 0 0 185.0 178 78 61 6 39 76 5 8.66 0.29 1.90 3.70 1.17 -- ST Joe Stalp - 10 8 2.69 23 23 3 2 0 0 133.2 124 66 40 3 54 50 11 8.35 0.20 3.64 3.37 1.33 -- ST Dave Lochner 24 10 7 3.29 23 22 3 1 0 0 139.2 125 61 51 9 55 78 6 8.05 0.58 3.54 5.03 1.29 -- ST Scott Terry 24 14 3 1.50 20 20 9 6 0 0 144.0 110 31 24 1 43 100 5 6.88 0.06 2.69 6.25 1.06 -- CL Rob Murphy 24 2 3 2.71 45 1 0 0 25 15 69.2 57 23 21 0 35 69 7 7.36 0.00 4.52 8.91 1.32 -- RP Mike Smith 23 3 3 3.35 35 0 0 0 23 6 51.0 51 28 19 2 20 49 4 9.00 0.35 3.53 8.65 1.39 -- Jeff Montgomery 22 2 0 2.13 22 0 0 0 11 4 25.1 14 7 6 0 24 20 1 4.97 0.00 8.53 7.11 1.50 -- Matthews Bullinger - 1 2 4.62 21 2 0 0 8 3 37.0 38 27 19 2 23 31 1 9.24 0.49 5.59 7.54 1.65 -- Brett Wise - 2 1 3.21 20 0 0 0 8 2 33.2 32 18 12 1 16 24 2 8.55 0.27 4.28 6.42 1.43 -- Louie Trujillo - 0 3 5.50 19 0 0 0 6 1 34.1 33 30 21 3 28 29 2 8.65 0.79 7.34 7.60 1.78 -- Mike Konderia - 1 1 4.87 15 0 0 0 4 1 20.1 19 12 11 2 19 19 3 8.41 0.89 8.41 8.41 1.87 -- Bob Buchanan 23 1 2 2.18 14 0 0 0 12 6 20.2 14 8 5 0 14 18 1 6.10 0.00 6.10 7.84 1.35 -- Jim Jefferson - 0 4 7.31 7 4 0 0 3 0 28.1 44 25 23 1 12 22 1 13.98 0.32 3.81 6.99 1.98 -- Buddy Pryor - 0 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 1 0 1.0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 18.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.00 -- Crestwell Pratt - 0 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 1 0 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 9.00 0.00 9.00 9.00 2.00 -- Jack Lind 38 0 1 2.25 1 1 0 0 0 0 4.0 8 8 1 0 3 2 0 18.00 0.00 6.75 4.50 2.75 --
My dad got to enjoy 3 Reds World Championships by the time he was my age. So far, I've only gotten to enjoy one. Step it up Redlegs!
Let's see here. Rowdon hit .233 in 1983 in AA ball and then makes his MLB debut in 1984? That has GOT to be who Starr was talking about. Fits everything to a T.
Nah, I think it was Dave Miley ;-)
And looking again, maybe I shouldn't be so certain on Wade Rowdon. He did hit 21 HRs in 1983 in AA-ball. But that could still very well be who Starr is talking about since his BA and other numbers were so low.
Paul O'Neill, this is someone I always thought maybe a user. He certainly had moments that could be called "'roid rage".
Last edited by 4256 Hits; 03-02-2008 at 04:07 PM. Reason: 1st post looked like my 2nd grader wrote it. 8^)
Okay, that's good enough for me. It's Tracy Jones.
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