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    3/9/08 vs Deviless Rays

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    Reds vs. the Rays, 1:05 p.m.

    Ryan Freel CF
    Norris Hopper LF
    Jay Bruce RF
    Joey Votto 1B
    Jolbert Cabrera 3B
    Jeff Keppinger SS
    Chris Kroski C
    Juan Castro 2B
    Ryan Hannigan DH

    Matt Belisle P

    It's 52 degrees here at Progress Energy Park. The Rays PR apologized to me because I'm in the outdoor press box. "I know it's really chilly out there." If he only knew. I'm sure a lot of you are still digging out back in the Tristate. Marty and Thom on the radio ought to warm things up a bit.

    This is a beautiful site for a ballpark. Nice view of the bay. The Rays new park is supposed to be built here.

    This is a big start for Belisle. I'm not sure if he's on bubble as far as the rotation. But with the young guys pitching well, you'd think the Reds would be looking at all alternatives

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    Re: 3/9/08 vs Deviless Rays

    Bruce is going deep today.

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    Re: 3/9/08 vs Deviless Rays

    After his stinker last time out, I would say today is a rather important outing for Matt Belisle...

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    Rocco Baldelli's injury leaves the Rays short on OF help and long on guys who are likely only realistic options at DH most of the time (Floyd, Gomes, Baldelli) or the DL. Hopper and Freel playing today may prove valuable should the Reds want to move one as they cut down the roster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Rocco Baldelli's injury leaves the Rays short on OF help and long on guys who are likely only realistic options at DH most of the time (Floyd, Gomes, Baldelli) or the DL. Hopper and Freel playing today may prove valuable should the Reds want to move one as they cut down the roster.
    The Beelzebubbas at some point are going to have to admit to themselves that Baldelli will never be healthy and plan accordingly.

    I'm all for moving an OF their way, though I doubt Tampa Bay would be interested in what the Reds have got (though I can see a case for why Ken Griffey Jr. would be a solid fit for that franchise) and even if a guy like Freel grabbed their interest I doubt the Reds could wrangle the arm I'd want (J.P. Howell).
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I'm all for moving an OF their way, though I doubt Tampa Bay would be interested in what the Reds have got (though I can see a case for why Ken Griffey Jr. would be a solid fit for that franchise) and even if a guy like Freel grabbed their interest I doubt the Reds could wrangle the arm I'd want (J.P. Howell).
    Funny you should mention targeting J.P. Howell...I said the same thing a couple hours ago in another thread.

    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showp...&postcount=257

    He's got a career 3.20 ERA and 9.49 K/9 in 346.2 career minor league innings. He also spent 51 innings in the majors with the Rays last season and while his ERA wasn't pretty (7.59), he still managed to strikeout 49 batters in those 51 innings. I think he would be a solid acquisition who could settle in as a No. 4 starter within the next year or two. I'd trade Freel or Hopper + a minor prospect like Jordan Smith for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Funny you should mention targeting J.P. Howell...I said the same thing a couple hours ago in another thread.

    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showp...&postcount=257

    He's got a career 3.20 ERA and 9.49 K/9 in 346.2 career minor league innings. He also spent 51 innings in the majors with the Rays last season and while his ERA wasn't pretty (7.59), he still managed to strikeout 49 batters in those 51 innings. I think he would be a solid acquisition who could settle in as a No. 4 starter within the next year or two. I'd trade Freel or Hopper + a minor prospect like Jordan Smith for him.
    Yeah, I've liked Howell for years. The Royals and DRays pushed him too quickly, but I think he's going to outperform a lot of the more touted arms around him.

    Unfortunately I'm not convinced he can be had for the kind of price you're talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve
    I think the Rays have been auditioning Edwin Jackson for the Reds. Both of his starts have been vs Cincy. And he failed miserably today. Personally, I'd like to see all trading chips on deck for any possible deal for a catcher, if one can be had (Gerald Laird?)...
    I've never made any secret about my disdain for Jackson's game. The Rays can try to start him, but I don't think he's got any meaningful future outside the pen, if there.

    I like the way you're thinking on the catcher front, and Laird would be a stellar target.
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    Re: 3/9/08 vs Deviless Rays

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Yeah, I've liked Howell for years. The Royals and DRays pushed him too quickly, but I think he's going to outperform a lot of the more touted arms around him.
    I'm not sure how highly regarded he is, but I am most impressed by the Ray's Andy Sonnanstine. Minor league career: 7.67 H/9, 0.69 HR/9, 1.36 BB/9, 8.42 K/9. Terrific control and misses enough bats. Hopefully, his value is down from last year's audition with the Ray's in 130.2 innings: a 5.85 ERA (!), but peripherals were still solid--1.79 BB/9 and 6.68 K/9. His 10.40 H/9 can likely be attributed to a .328 BABIP...

    EDIT-Oh, and he is from Ohio! Kent State Golden Flash...

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I like the way you're thinking on the catcher front, and Laird would be a stellar target.
    As long as the Reds have Ross, who we know is better against LH pitching, I don't see a need for Laird. He has a career .616 OPS against RH pitching and a .815 OPS against Lh pitching...
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    Re: 3/9/08 vs Deviless Rays

    leadoff single....followed by a double off of Belisle.

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    Re: 3/9/08 vs Deviless Rays

    Belisle had the runner picked off of first, but hesitated, allowing the runner to get in safely to 2nd. Runners at 2nd and 3rd with nobody out, 3-2 count I believe on Upton.

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    Re: 3/9/08 vs Deviless Rays

    And he walks him.... Mr. Belisle, if you continue at this rate, it's going to be Fogg, Cueto, and Volquez coming north in the rotation.

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    Re: 3/9/08 vs Deviless Rays

    Reds had the runner picked off between first and second, but Belisle hesitated the throw to second, threw to first, and the runner ended up safe at second. Then he promptly walks the batter.

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    Re: 3/9/08 vs Deviless Rays

    1,2,3 double play.....

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    Re: 3/9/08 vs Deviless Rays

    We saw the best and worst of Matt Belisle that inning. He gives up lots of runners and goes deep into counts, but he gets groundballs which limits damage and leads to a DP here. He follows it up with enough stuff to blow it by the hitters.

    He needs a couple of easy innings or he'll still leave a bad taste in Dusty's mouth IMO.
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    Re: 3/9/08 vs Deviless Rays

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    We saw the best and worst of Matt Belisle that inning. He gives up lots of runners and goes deep into counts, but he gets groundballs which limits damage and leads to a DP here.
    Usually he freaks and gives up a crap load of runs when he gets in those situations...that time he didn't.


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