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    Teams in need of a CF

    seems like the Reds have one too many and a few teams are missing them.

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    Among the many injuries ripping across the game right now, I noticed that Jim Edmonds is going to miss the rest of the exhibition season with a strained right calf. That Edmonds is injured isnít a surprise at all; heís 37 years old, he missed 97 games over the past two seasons with a variety of ailments, helping make him a significant risk this year, and he plays one of the most demanding positions on the field.

    Thatís actually not the worst of it. Patrolling center field in Arizonaís fairly large outfields while playing a third to a half of meaningless games is one thing. Having to cover Petco Parkís massive expanse of pastureó404 feet to the gapsófor a team that has been built around fly-ball pitchers, in games that will mean quite a lot, is something else entirely. Edmondsí body has been sending a clear signal for the past couple of years, that it canít handle the rigors of a major league job in the middle of the diamond. Heís needed to move to a corner spot for a couple of years now, the natural progression of a formerly great center fielder as he advances towards 40 years old.

    Itís not just his health. Edmondsí defense, as you would expect, has declined along with his body. In our system, heís posted below-average Rate2 scores in three of the last four seasons, and his 2007 mark of 95 is the second-lowest of his career. The Padres, who admittedly did not trade much to take on the last year of Edmondsí contract, have put themselves in position to have one of the oldest, worst-fielding center fielders in baseball. Thereís no reason to think this can end well, not with the condition of Edmonds, the dimensions of Petco, and the Padsí pitchers lean towards getting fly-ball outs.

    In the Padresí favor here is that they have no one in left field who canít be moved, and in fact, platooning Edmonds and holdover Scott Hairston could be the best thing for both players. Hairston has good power against southpaws (.273/.329/.483 career) while Edmonds has regressed over the last couple of seasons to his early-career levels against them (479 OPS in í06, 631 in í07). Hairstonís case for everyday play is marginal, which pairs well with Edmondsí need for a caddy.

    The problem, of course, is that while this would give the Padres a solid left-field platoon, it would also leave them with no center fielder. No, not the way, say, the Twins donít have a center fielder, or the Ranger or Braves or Aís donít, where there are three or four sub-optimal choices. No, the Padres have just four outfielders on their 40-man roster, and while a number of ex-prospects and marginal guys are floating around camp, only Jeff DaVanon has any kind of experience playing center in the majors, and heís not a regular. The decision to let Mike Cameron go, in the moment, made plenty of sense. By now, itís one that has left the Padres in a bind.

    Perhaps the best stopgap option, Corey Patterson, was available for months before signing a minor league deal with the Reds. Patterson lacks OBP, but has the speed and skill to cover the big Petco center field. Signing him would have provided the necessary support for a pitching staff that needs a good defensive center fielder, just as the Blue Jays need a good defensive shortstop behind their groundballers. At 28, Patterson even offers the possibility of development, as opposed to the 37-year-old Edmonds. With Patterson gone, the only remaining center fielder by name is Kenny Lofton, and heís no more ready to cover the gaps in his twilight years than Edmonds is.

    Are trades an option? Certainly, the Rays could use an out for Rocco Baldelli, who will be used in right field until a deal comes along. He doesnít have much trade value, having missed most of the last three seasons to injuries, and he has less than that at the moment, unable to play even in spring games due to an unusual disorder. There may be a buy-low opportunity here for Kevin Towers, although he is likely reluctant to deal for a player whose availability rivals that of Faberge eggs.

    Whatís left? The Padres and Red Sox have made a number of minor deals over the years, each more than willing to help the other out. Would the Sox be willing to end the Jacoby Ellsbury/Coco Crisp drama by dealing Crisp, who wants to be an everyday player, to San Diego. The Padres have some depth in their system, the ability to deal a B- prospect or two to make the '08 team better. The Sox can get significant value from Crispís glove, but Ellsburyís OBP means a lot to them and they may not wish to have Crisp around in a part-time role. Again, the established relationship between the organizations comes into play here.

    To be honest, this is all pretty theoretical. The Padres think Edmonds is a center fielder, their center fielder when healthy. Theyíre not perceiving a hole or looking to fill one. Theyíve pushed infield prospect Chase Headley out to left field this spring in an effort to get his bat in the lineup, potentially making the defense that much worse. Headley can rake; heís not going to be a good left fielder for some time, if ever. Then again, shopping Kevin Kouzmanoff, coming off a pretty good year, for a center fielder would improve the team on both sides of the ball.

    Positioned between Hairston and Giles, Edmonds would help give the Padres one of the worst outfield defenses in the game. Thatís a recipe for disaster. An outfield of Headley/Edmonds/Giles or Headley/Hairston/Giles, is approaching 1989 Dodgers' levels of comedy. That team used an aging Kirk Gibson and a heavy Franklin Stubbs in center field at times, and occasionally had Kal Daniels in left alongside Stubbs.

    The Padres arenít likely to close the gap on the Diamondbacks and Dodgers under any circumstances. Theyíre not a good offensive team, and they need time to integrate their young position players. The teamís strength the last few years, though, has been the way it fits into the park, with fly-ball pitchers, deep fences and Mike Cameron. Now, in a post-Cameron world, theyíre about to find out just how much of what they thought was pitching was actually defense.
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    Re: Teams in need of a CF

    Sounds like they could use a certain fearless, all out CF that just happens to be the odd man out in many scenarios here. Plus in that park he'll have plenty of room to slow down before going headlong into the walls.
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    Re: Teams in need of a CF

    He'd get more time at Dodger stadium, home of his famous taking out an old lady in the stands moment.
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    Re: Teams in need of a CF

    There's a RH bat in camp with an outside shot as 4th OFer.

    He's 25 year old, 200 lb, 6"3" Jerry Gil, listed as a SS, but Dusty has used him as a late inning OFer. In very, very, very limited action he has 2 HR and is hitting .429. Two HR in 7 AB compared to Green and Brandon who also each have 2 HR, but in a total of 57 AB.

    I did not see him in a game, but in BP the ball comes off his bat much like it does off Brandon Phillips' bat. After one session, I overheard the other Philips, Andy, ask Jerry something like, "How do you do that?" -- referring to the numerous BP HRs launched by Gil.

    Of course it's only ST, with all of its variables, and of course it's BP, and of course he's only been to the plate a few times, but if he's talented enough to have played minor league SS, perhaps he is athletic enough to add a RH bat with punch to the OF.

    If not now, then perhaps after abundant exposure to the position/real game pitching at Louisville.

    Anyone know his minor league stats?

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    Re: Teams in need of a CF

    Jerry Gil career minor league stats- .249/.275/.395
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: Teams in need of a CF

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Jerry Gil career minor league stats- .249/.275/.395
    Sounds like a leadoff hitter to me!

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    Re: Teams in need of a CF

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51 View Post
    Sounds like a leadoff hitter to me!
    that's probably what Corey Patterson will produce this year! :
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: Teams in need of a CF

    I had to go dig this up - from something I read earlier this spring.

    A Scott Miller column about what life is like being a GM

    http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10626610/rss

    This year, Towers and his wife, Kelley, actually were able to squeeze in a Christmas vacation, a two-and-a-half week South American cruise. But only after a last bit of business was finished.

    The trip, which would take them through Buenos Aires and Antarctica, among other locales, was scheduled to begin on Dec. 20. But the trip remained in question in the days leading up to it -- at least, until Towers traded with St. Louis for outfielder Jim Edmonds on Dec. 15.

    "Had Mo (new Cardinals' GM John Mozeliak) and I not agreed to the deal, my wife and I were bagging the trip," Towers says. "I couldn't afford to be gone two-and-a-half weeks without a center fielder."

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    Re: Teams in need of a CF

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    that's probably what Corey Patterson will produce this year! :
    Probably, and we'll hear how his D makes up for it..and it would if he were playing and fielding all 3 OF spots at once
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    Re: Teams in need of a CF

    Ryan Freel? Corey Patterson? Griff ?
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    Re: Teams in need of a CF

    Quote Originally Posted by redsrule2500 View Post
    Ryan Freel? Corey Patterson? Griff ?
    Don't forget Hopper.
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