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    Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    From Gammon's blog, per mlbtraderumors...

    ESPN's Peter Gammons posted to his blog yesterday; let's take a look. More negative vibes around the Reds' Homer Bailey. His apparent availability seems odd given his talent. Bailey was described by an evaluator friend of Buster Olney as "someone who thinks he's got it all figured out."
    A lot of conflicting reports about Bailey. Coachable or uncoachable? Head-case or head-on-straight?

    What say you?

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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    What say you?
    what I do know is that he needs to go back to AAA and work on his command. His K/BB will likely be the best indicator to tell when he is ready for another shot.
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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    Absolutely.
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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    what I do know is that he needs to go back to AAA and work on his command. His K/BB will likely be the best indicator to tell when he is ready for another shot.
    I agree that he needs more time at AAA, and honestly probably until the ASB. He just can't consistently find the strike zone at this point, and until he does so, he needs to stay in AAA. I'm not so sure his K/BB will be the best indicator as much as his BB/9 might be. In a perfect world, Bailey will increase his Ks and lower his BBs, which will greatly help his K/BB, but I'd rather his BB lower first, which IMO will be reflected by lowering his BB/9.

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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    I'm pretty sure that the rumor of Bailey being uncoachable is false as evidenced by comments by Dusty Baker this spring. Baker said a few days ago Homer was spotted sitting and talking to Mario Soto during a full spring game.

    I agree with flyer. Send him to AAA to work on his command, once he figures that out (and I believe he will), he'll be a dominant pitcher.

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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post

    I agree with flyer. Send him to AAA to work on his command, once he figures that out (and I believe he will), he'll be a dominant pitcher.
    Or at least have more trade value than he does now.
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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    I want to know how old this quote is about him 'having it all figured out'. Olney has used it before. Sometimes people get lazy in their work and use the same quote for different stories.
    From what we have heard this spring is that from the start Bailey has been all ears more than once and in one of his recent games, when he was in the dugout he was talking with Soto asking for tips and advice every inning.

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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I'm pretty sure that the rumor of Bailey being uncoachable is false as evidenced by comments by Dusty Baker this spring. Baker said a few days ago Homer was spotted sitting and talking to Mario Soto during a full spring game.

    I agree with flyer. Send him to AAA to work on his command, once he figures that out (and I believe he will), he'll be a dominant pitcher.
    I'm not a Homer basher. I was opposed to trading him for Blanton in the offseason.....but, I get the impression Dusty is managing through the press in SOME of his comments. He may not be with this one, but I wonder if he's not the type to drop some praise in the press, knowing it'll help the guy[s] in the clubhouse.

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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    I think Bailey is a victim of the hype that has been generated by his potential. History tells us that young pitchers, especially starters, take time to develop. Everyone would like to see Bailey develop now instead of later, but it isn't going to be that easily accomplished. Some things will have to change for him, but timetables for change vary from individual to individual.

    He has spent the last eight or nine years developing his mechanics which are largely controlled by the subconscious mind. Those mechanics have been trained through repetition to create rote muscle memory. Changing muscle memory to perform differently is not always a quick and easy task, especially with taller pitchers.

    It will be a mistake to label Bailey one way or the other at this stage of his career. He needs time to polish his game and hone/alter his muscle memory. Many take several years and Bailey could be one of those slow to develop starters. Most of us were willing to trade Bailey for Bedard this winter, but look how long it took him to develop into a reliable, front of the rotation starter.

    Bailey needs more time in triple A, but that isn't a bad thing. Actually, it makes him typical of most young starting pitchers.
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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    I saw this on C. Trent's blog.

    I've got to say, Homer Bailey has had the most disappointing spring. It will be very interesting to see how he reacts in Louisville. The problem is he can dominate Class AAA hitters with his pure stuff, but not big league hitters. One opposing hitter said of Bailey's fastball -- (making a motion of a straight fastball) "give me that (stuff) in June."

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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    History tells us that young pitchers, especially starters, take time to develop.
    I think that's what we have to hope for.

    but we also know that many underachievers are satisfied with what they can already do, and have too much inertia to change their direction

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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    FWIW, from the Washington Post:


    [SP] Erik Bedard Left-Handed No. 1 Starter

    Wednesday, March 28, 2007; H07

    Several years ago, when the Orioles were trying to acquire pitcher Tim Hudson, the Athletics insisted any deal include Bedard. The Orioles were reluctant because in Bedard they saw the potential for an ace. Though he often struggled with command, and his pitch count often passed 100 by the fifth inning, Bedard showed flashes of brilliance. He was stubborn and was considered almost uncoachable, but the Orioles were wary to trade him because of his potential. Several years later, Bedard has finally achieved ace status. Late in March, Perlozzo named him the Opening Day starter, the first time a lefty has had that distinction since 1997. Bedard will be expected to lead a staff that includes two youngsters and two veterans. Not much has changed with Bedard's stoic demeanor. But scouts continue to rave about him, and the Orioles are thankful they did not trade him.
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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    Quote Originally Posted by SunDeck View Post
    FWIW, from the Washington Post:
    Hmm, that reminds me of someone else...can't put my finger on it, though...
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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    Quote Originally Posted by SunDeck View Post
    FWIW, from the Washington Post:
    That's unpossible. Young pitchers can't develop.

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    Re: Bailey mentioned on Gammon's blog

    I'd be fine with Bailey staying in AAA for the entire season.

    Volquez and Cueto have seemingly emerged, making it less imperative rush Homer.

    He's only 21. Give him another full season to make sure he's ready. I'm confident in his ability to find his way, but it might take some time.
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