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    Anyone interested in swapping Belisle for Anthony Reyes?

    Would anyone be interested in swapping Matt Belisle for Anthony Reyes?

    Both are talented pitchers who have struggled in their current environments, and may be well served by a change of scenery. Both have been rumored to be available, but it's obviously a big risk- magnified further when you're dealing with St. Louis. Would you consider such a deal?
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    Re: Pitching Swap?

    There is a Jocketty connection...

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    Re: Pitching Swap?

    Good God, no.
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    Re: Pitching Swap?

    Why give up on Belisle?

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    Re: Pitching Swap?

    I'd be too afraid of Duncan turning him into an ace.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Pitching Swap?

    Duncan's mastery is overblown to an extent. He's shown what he can do with legit talent (ie. Carp), but many of his reclamation projects (Suppan, Bottenfield, etc.) have as much to do with superior defense behind the Cards staff making the pitchers look good.

    Clearly he's been successful, but he's never turned a guy like Belisle into an ace. Reyes has good stuff and he hasn't done squat in the majors.

    As for the idea of grabbing Reyes, I do like him, and I think he's an undervalued commodity. I think the previous hype he had as a top of the rotation starter is never going to happen...
    flyball rates are bad... so is control. Too much to turn around at this stage. Still, I think he will turn into a solid back to mid rotation starter. More or less what Belisle is... looks like a sideways move... maybe more potential... but less of a known quality. It merits consideration.
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    Re: Pitching Swap?

    I think I'd keep Belisle and I don't think the Cards would do it anyhow. Reyes is younger and does have more potential upside.

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    Re: Pitching Swap?

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns View Post
    Duncan's mastery is overblown to an extent. He's shown what he can do with legit talent (ie. Carp), but many of his reclamation projects (Suppan, Bottenfield, etc.) have as much to do with superior defense behind the Cards staff making the pitchers look good.

    Clearly he's been successful, but he's never turned a guy like Belisle into an ace. Reyes has good stuff and he hasn't done squat in the majors.
    I will admit it is quite overblown. Sidney Ponson, Jeff Weaver, and Kip Wells are examples of guys he couldn't fix. But I think Belisle has "legit talent" and could potentially be a fixture in a team's rotation.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Pitching Swap?

    Why?

    BTW AK--I think you are on to something with a correlation between pitching coaches who have a reputation as 'career savers' and strong defense...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    I will admit it is quite overblown. Sidney Ponson, Jeff Weaver, and Kip Wells are examples of guys he couldn't fix. But I think Belisle has "legit talent" and could potentially be a fixture in a team's rotation.
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