Neither are Bray or Mercker...Originally Posted by RedsManRick
Neither are Bray or Mercker...
More on the pen from Fay.
I think I agree, but I also saw that Belisle threw 30 pitches today. If he is healthy it could change things. I wish they could move Stanton.
Bullpen musings
Francisco Cordero, David Weathers, Mike Stanton and Jeremy Affeldt are the locks to make the bullpen.
In the case of Stanton and Affeldt, their $3 million salaries have a lot to do with it. But that’s the way baseball works.
I still think Jared Burton makes it, despite a rough spring.
That’s five.
Here’s my depth chart for the remaining relievers in camp:
1. Todd Coffey
2. Bill Bray
3. Kent Mercker
4. Mike Lincoln
5. Jim Brower
6. Jose Capellan.
Brower and Capellan have no shot. It’s too close to call among the other four.
Lincoln’s an interesting guy. He’s throwing 94 after two “Tommy John” surgeries and three years off. But he had a bad outing Saturday (1 IP, 3 hits, 2 runs). Each outing is big for the bubble guys now.
Coffey, by the way, has given up one hit and struck out six in 6 2/3 innings this spring.
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Lincoln pitched his way OUT of contention today, IMO
It's not the guys who are getting themselves out that I'm worried about. It's the guys who aren't doing that that I'm worried about. Until Coutlangus can get that walk rate down he doesn't deserve to be in the big leagues any more than Majewski does.
I'm not saying that Coutlangus is your 8th ining set-up man, but with 2 outs and a runner on second, and a lefty at the plate, there might not be another guy on the staff I'd rather have pitching. Dusty just needs to use him correctly...
With the way Bray and Coffey have pitched they have got to make the team.
And, hopefully for LOOGYs everywhere, that fact remains unchanged for all eternity.
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That's not the way "baseball works." That's the way the Reds (and specifically Krivsky) work.In the case of Stanton and Affeldt, their $3 million salaries have a lot to do with it. But that’s the way baseball works.
I think that's an important distinction. They control their destiny. No one's got a .38 pointed at the back of their heads.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
I understand the mentioning of Stanton in this quote. I really do. When the guy is in the last year of a contract these things typically come into play.In the case of Stanton and Affeldt, their $3 million salaries have a lot to do with it. But that’s the way baseball works.
Affeldt blows my friggin mind. He was just signed! Fay's quote almost makes it seem like it is no fault of anyone in the system that Affeldt's contract is an issue. Almost like when the Reds were letting Milton pitch out his contract last year. Instead of just accepting that the guy needs to pitch because of his contract, someone should be asking the question of why he was given a $3MM contract to start with.
Why was Stanton given two years?
A ton of us knew that was a terrible idea the day it happened. There are better options in house. There's no reason for Stanton to be there. None.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
Agreed 100%. But I'm not focusing on what happened last offseason. That contract was stupid from the get go. But to basically put a guy signed this past offseason in the same class as Stanton before the first official pitch has been thrown is just awful.
Affeldt hasn't played an inning for this team yet and the press is saying that one big reason why he will make the team is because of his contract. Wow.
I'm just hoping that the random nature of relief pitching in general will work in the Reds' favor this season.
In other words....Cross yer friggin' fingers.
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Or maybe Magik can do something different like cut his hair and shave his goatee.
I'm sure that will work!!
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I think Bray is on the bubble because he has options and has been hurt this spring, and like Maj hasn't exactly dazzled in his time up here.
I think Wayne has a lot of faith in Coffey, and justifiably so IMO.
Coffey makes the team.
Stanton makes the team.
I think Mercker makes the team also. If for no other reason that Mercker has had a decent spring (IIRC) and if they don't put him on the roster, he's gone.. So, I'm guessing Bray gets optioned down to hang with Maj.
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IMO, Affedlt was signed because of the unkowns in the rotation. Remember, at the time, Fogg was not on board yet, and Wayne probably didn't know Fogg would sign. Wayne also probably smartly assumed that it's not a good idea to rely on two rookies grabbing starting jobs.
As it turns out, it looks like 2 rookies are ready for the rotation, and Fogg can backfill the Belisle slot. Still, it's a very defensible one year signing. We might still need him to eat up innings this year. So much of the team pitching depth is based on kids, and it's nice to not to be forced to use kids to eat innings if they aren't ready. Ceuto or Volquez might stumble. I hope not, but they might. Fogg might implode.
Stanton was indefensible, but Affedlt is defendable.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
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