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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    I think Buchholz dominated in his limited opportunities b/c there was no book on him. You can really only take AAA scouting reports and video with a grain of salt.
    And that couldn't have carried into the postseason because...


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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

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    Mike Warren too
    Bud Smith.
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    A little bit off topic, but do you guys think that Jesse Winker profiles more like Pete Rose or is he just the next Hal Morris??

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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    And that couldn't have carried into the postseason because...
    b/c they shut Buchholz down for the season b/c he'd reached his IP limit that was set at the beginning of the year

    I give Theo credit. He watched his young stud throw a no-no, and then stuck to his guns and said "no mas". Anyone else would have been tempted to add him to the playoff roster and attempt to ride the hot hand. Theo basically said "you're done for the year kid, see you in ST".

    plus, would you have counted on your young, unproven stud in a 3-4 man rotation in the postseason? That's not recipe for success, IMO.

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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    No, but he likely would have been on the playoff roster and pitched more in September had he not reached his innings threshold. Instead, the Red Sox chose to protect his arm in favor of lesser pitchers.
    You mean the lesser pitchers to whom they gave playoff starts?

    The playoff rotation was Beckett, Schilling, Matsuzaka and Wakefield, with Lester as the #5 option (one they used when Wakefield got injured). At no juncture was Buchholz ever in the team's playoff plans. He was a prospect pitcher on a team with a fixed rotation.

    Now, if the Red Sox had the need (they didn't) and thought Buchholz was ready to fill that need (they didn't), then you might have something to point to instead of the cup of coffee you're trying to pretend is a Starbuck's franchise.
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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Mike Warren too
    Bud Smith.

    oops Reds44 beat me to it.

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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    And that couldn't have carried into the postseason because...
    The Red Sox didn't need him.
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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    The Red Sox didn't need him.
    I'm not saying that they needed him. I'm saying that he would have been in their playoff rotation if Theo hadn't set him on an innings-limit...

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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    The Red Sox didn't need him.
    This year, however, is a different story completely.

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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    It appears to me that you feel Cueto should be the #5 so he can be skipped in the rotation, rather than merely trying to control his innings on a per start basis...
    Then I suggest you go back and read again.

    My point is it doesn't matter more than the weight of a fart where in the rotation he is because there is no slot in which he'll have his innings limited. Limiting his innings went out the door the second he made the rotation.
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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I'm not saying that they needed him. I'm saying that he would have been in their playoff rotation if Theo hadn't set him on an innings-limit...
    That's just incredibly wrong and based on nothing but delusion on your part. They weren't dumping any one of the vets or Lester for Buchholz no matter what his innings situation was.
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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Then I suggest you go back and read again.

    My point is it doesn't matter more than the weight of a fart where in the rotation he is because there is no slot in which he'll have his innings limited. Limiting his innings went out the door the second he made the rotation.
    OK, whatever spot, you would like to see him skipped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    That's just incredibly wrong and based on nothing but delusion on your part. They weren't dumping any one of the vets or Lester for Buchholz no matter what his innings situation was.
    In your 2007 playoff rotation you're going to start Tim Wakefield or Jon Lester over Buchholz?

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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    OK, whatever spot, you would like to see him skipped?
    You really aren't having a good reading comprehension run in this thread.
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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    In your 2007 playoff rotation you're going to start Tim Wakefield or Jon Lester over Buchholz?
    Me? Wasn't my call. The Red Sox are the ones who choose that, apparently it was a good idea.
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    Re: Bailey to Louisville...

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I'm not saying that they needed him. I'm saying that he would have been in their playoff rotation if Theo hadn't set him on an innings-limit...
    Myth.

    The only reason he came up at the end of the year was for an emergency start. He had 2 more starts, and a relief appearance after that emergency start on 8/17/07. Buchholz was sent down before the end of the season.

    Remove his no-no, and he wasn't lights out, and most certainly wouldn't have been kept up to stay on the playoff roster.

    Regardless of IP limit, Buchholz was only in the Red Sox playoff if injury required him to stay on the roster. Teammates healed, he hit his IP limit, he was sent back down. But again, had there been no IP limit, he honestly wouldn't have stayed up.


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