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Thread: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    Edwin Jackson has been a huge bust to this point in his career but he's still only 24 years old and throws in the mid 90's with a great slider. So yeah, I'd trade Ryan Freel for him. If he has options remaining then I'd send him to Louisville and let him work on being a reliever down there.

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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    I don't believe he has options left - and if he did then he wouldn't be trade bait most likely. The guy has been an enormous bust to this point. Last year's Reds might've been served well to take a flier on him but not this year's team.

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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    I just looked it up. Jackson is out of options.

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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    Freel's not a long-term solution for the Reds, whereas Jackson could be.

    It would be a low expectation move, while addressing the log-jam. I look at this at a potential win-win.

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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    You can't teach the stuff that Jackson has. Put him in the bullpen and have Pole work with him.
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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    You can't teach the stuff that Jackson has.
    Straight fastball, hanging curve, inconsistent delivery, lack of control ...
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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    I'd give Freel's contract to Tampa. Adding a low cost/stuff-oozing arm to the pen would be gravy.

    Tampa could have Bay on the next flight to Florida if they decided they wanted him.

    Murton/Willits/Nady probably are the guys they'd actually "target".

    Freel probably isn't high on Tampa's list.
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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    Matt Belisle is a piece of crap and yet we should pursue Edwin Jackson. I'm not sure I follow... I'd trade Freel for him only if he took Stanton's place in the pen.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Straight fastball, hanging curve, inconsistent delivery, lack of control ...
    Hmmmmmm.

    Maybe you're right. We already have one of those: Homer Bailey.


    And that's not a cheap shot at Homer. It's an honest observation. I just caught myself up to speed on Edwin Jackson, and I still think he's a low risk, high reward type arm, but not to expect miracles immediately. Maybe Freel might be a bit too much to pay for Jackson, but I still wouldn't mind getting Jackson.

    Bottomline, I'd like to see the Reds trade away surplus in order to obtain more pitching. Hopefully along the way they actually obtain some quality pitching.

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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Straight fastball, hanging curve, inconsistent delivery, lack of control ...
    That sounds amazingly like Homer Bailey.

    I'd still like to see what he (Jackson) could do in the pen.
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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    The Jackson:Bailey comp is scary.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    Jackson is fastball/hard slider with little to no offspeed.

    Bailey is fastball, big curve, developing change, embryonic slider.

    They're quite different in terms of repertoire.
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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    Edwin Jackson never put up the H/9 or K/9 rates that Bailey put up in the minors.

    Homer Bailey

    7.15 H/9
    9.85 K/9

    Edwin Jackson

    8.35 H/9
    7.74 K/9

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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Jackson is fastball/hard slider with little to no offspeed.

    Bailey is fastball, big curve, developing change, embryonic slider.

    They're quite different in terms of repertoire.
    That's why I think he'll never be anything as a slider. However with his mid 90's heat, and if he can control his 83-85 MPH slider he could be an effective bullpen pitcher.
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    Re: Rays Dangling Edwin Jackson For An OF'er

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Am I the only person here who would rather have Freel over Jackson?
    I'd rather have Freel. Jackson wouldn't make the team.
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