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    BAD Managing By Dusty

    Bot 9, runners on 1st and 2nd and EdE up. Reds down by 1. Dusty has EdE BUNT. EdE has never laid down a successful bunt in his entire career and looked clueless trying. If Dusty wanted a bunt he needed to PH for EdE. Of course, once he let Mr. Clutch swing away he won the game.
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    I was really upset about him trying to make him bunt. I kept thinking, "boy I hope that he gets 2 strikes and swings away from a base hit." I wasn't expecting a home run, but that was great!

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    Re: BAD Managing By Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBigLebowski View Post
    Bot 9, runners on 1st and 2nd and EdE up. Reds down by 1. Dusty has EdE BUNT. EdE has never laid down a successful bunt in his entire career and looked clueless trying. If Dusty wanted a bunt he needed to PH for EdE. Of course, once he let Mr. Clutch swing away he won the game.
    Maybe it was part of the strategy?


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    C Trent:

    Dusty said: "I turned to (bench coach) Chris (Speier) and said, 'Chris, I kinda hope he doesn't get it down here so he can hit a 3-run homer.'"

    Dusty is now .500 which is better than any other manager we've had here in the last 7 years.

    I think one year ago, Stanton and Majewski would have given up 3 runs in the top of the 9th and we would have lost 8-6. Boy, if Merker can stay healthy, we might have a real nice bull pen.

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    Re: BAD Managing By Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    C Trent:

    Dusty said: "I turned to (bench coach) Chris (Speier) and said, 'Chris, I kinda hope he doesn't get it down here so he can hit a 3-run homer.'"
    If that's the case, why bother going through the motions of making him bunt? Because that's how you "play the game the right way"? Sure, in perfect world Encarnacion would be a competent bunter. Dusty apparently knew he wasn't though, and decided to have him do it anyway. He really put Encarnacion in a tough position by putting him into a pitcher's count, and on the precipice of making a crucial out. I'm glad Edwin was able to overcome it and hit the game-winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlb1705 View Post
    If that's the case, why bother going through the motions of making him bunt? Because that's how you "play the game the right way"? Sure, in perfect world Encarnacion would be a competent bunter. Dusty apparently knew he wasn't though, and decided to have him do it anyway. He really put Encarnacion in a tough position by putting him into a pitcher's count, and on the precipice of making a crucial out. I'm glad Edwin was able to overcome it and hit the game-winner.

    Because the pitcher will throw a fastball when he thinks a hitter is bunting.

    EE is a dead-on fastball hitter.

    I hate Dusty, but I think there might be some truth to this.
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    Re: BAD Managing By Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutaman View Post
    C Trent:

    Dusty said: "I turned to (bench coach) Chris (Speier) and said, 'Chris, I kinda hope he doesn't get it down here so he can hit a 3-run homer.'"
    I don't think some of the subsequent posters realize that Dusty was making a joke here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrisHopper30 View Post
    But in all seriousness, do we have to complain after a win? Chris almighty..
    Then don't go near AOL Sports Fanhouse blogs. They've got a hate on for Dusty like you wouldn't believe.
    That Joey Votto is some kind of Man Candy!

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    Re: BAD Managing By Dusty

    I was wondering how long it would take someone to start a thread like this . The Reds was actually down by two runs and Dusty Baker was trying to move the tieing run into scoring position for a young guy by the name of Joey Votto who just smoked the last pitch he saw back up the middle for a base hit . Is that the wrong move? I would say IMHO it is with Edwin at the plate but it's just that a opinion ( alot of managers would have done the same thing) but don't worry I'm sure you can fine something in tomrrows game to bash Dusty about.
    Last edited by Lockdwn11; 04-02-2008 at 10:57 PM.

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    Re: BAD Managing By Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by Lockdwn11 View Post
    I was wondering how long it would take someone to start a thread like this . The Reds was actually down by two runs and Dusty Baker was trying to move the tieing run into scoring position for a young guy by the name of Joey Votto who just smoked the last pitch he saw back up the middle for a base hit . Is that the wrong move? I would say IMHO it is with Edwin at the plate but it's just that a opinion ( alot of managers would have done the same thing) but don't worry I'm sure you can fine something in tomrrows game to bash Dusty about.
    Only problem with that move is, they would 100% GUARANTEED walk Joey Votto, to load the bases for the DP/forceout/etc...

    Then you're looking at Paul Bako to get them in.

    AND, then everyone would complaing that Votto "took" the Walk, just like his mentor Adam Dunn:

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    Re: BAD Managing By Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by BLEEDS View Post
    Only problem with that move is, they would 100% GUARANTEED walk Joey Votto, to load the bases for the DP/forceout/etc...

    Then you're looking at Paul Bako to get them in.

    AND, then everyone would complaing that Votto "took" the Walk, just like his mentor Adam Dunn:

    PEACE

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    In that situation, Valentin, probably the Reds best clutch hitter, would have pinch hit for Bako. Base loaded, one out, Javy at the plate is a situation you want to be in.

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    Re: BAD Managing By Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    In that situation, Valentin, probably the Reds best clutch hitter, would have pinch hit for Bako. Base loaded, one out, Javy at the plate is a situation you want to be in.
    That would have been my thoughts.
    Last edited by Lockdwn11; 04-03-2008 at 05:19 PM.

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    Re: BAD Managing By Dusty

    this was not bad managing by dusty, this was bad baseball by edwin, bunting is as easy as catching, the only difference is you catch the ball with the bat instead of a glove.

    Dusty made the right call, down two runs:

    runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st and 2nd with none.

    That is how winning baseball is played, not playing for the three run-homer, we got lucky by getting the homer, but i guarantee you more often than not, we don't score any runs if we don't bunt

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    I LOVE the emotion you see from dusty in the dugout, thats what this team has been missing, it wasn't the talent, it was the desire to win in my opinion. I have no idea why you guys have to be so down after such a great game. I'm Pumped!
    we split against webb n haren, with the opportunity to take the rubber game with cueto tomorrow. things are good in reds land imo.

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    Re: BAD Managing By Dusty

    Quote Originally Posted by mroby85 View Post
    I it wasn't the talent, it was the desire to win in my opinion.
    No, it was the talent.


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