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    ETA on Belisle?

    Anyone know when Belisle is expected to be available to be called up?

    What will be the corresponding move when he IS ready? Can Fogg be sent to AAA?
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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    I thought he was close to being ready? But maybe not. I would rush to send Fogg to AAA. I'd let Belisle start at least a couple of times in AAA and then I would push him out.

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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    Wouldn't Fogg have to clear waivers first before he could be outrighted?
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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    Wouldn't Fogg have to clear waivers first before he could be outrighted?
    Who's going to pick him up? Other than Washington, I'm not sure he'd find a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    Who's going to pick him up? Other than Washington, I'm not sure he'd find a job.
    Probably not, but you might be surprised.
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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    That'd be great if someone else picked him up. They'd get to pay the pro-rated portion of his million dollar salary, I assume. Would give us a bit more payflex going down the stretch. I get the feeling the Reds are right up against it right now as far as their player budget is concerned.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    That'd be great if someone else picked him up. They'd get to pay the pro-rated portion of his million dollar salary, I assume. Would give us a bit more payflex going down the stretch. I get the feeling the Reds are right up against it right now as far as their player budget is concerned.
    I would expect that the Reds would have to pay all of it. I don't think the salary would be prorated.
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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    Fogg could only be sent down if he had options left. I don't know if he does.

    Even if he had options,he could only be sent down with his permission. I doubt he would give it. If he did give it, he would not have to pass through waivers.

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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    Belisle starts tonight for Sarasota. It will be interesting to see how he does.

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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    I would expect that the Reds would have to pay all of it. I don't think the salary would be prorated.
    Are you sure about that? It was my understanding that if he was placed on waivers, any team that picked him up off the waiver wire would be responsible for the pro-rated amount of his salary based on how many games remained in the season.
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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    Are you sure about that? It was my understanding that if he was placed on waivers, any team that picked him up off the waiver wire would be responsible for the pro-rated amount of his salary based on how many games remained in the season.
    I'm pretty sure you're right WMR
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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    I think Belisle can't come back soon enough. I would let him have 1 or 2 outings in AAA after tonight, and assuming they go well enough (and Fogg continues to struggle), I would insert Belisle into Fogg's spot in the rotation.

    I would re-evaluate the bullpen situation at that point, and if Fogg seems like a more viable option than Mercker, Lincoln or Coffey, I would keep Fogg in the pen and DFA whoever is struggling the most.

    Assuming Belisle joins the rotation in late April/early May, I would then give him until the All-Star Break to prove that he belongs in the rotation. If he pitches like he did in ST, I would let Maloney have his shot after the break, provided Maloney doesn't continue to struggle in Louisville like he did today. The next option would of course be Homer Bailey, but I'd want to make sure Homer is really ready this time around before throwing him to the wolves.
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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    Are you sure about that? It was my understanding that if he was placed on waivers, any team that picked him up off the waiver wire would be responsible for the pro-rated amount of his salary based on how many games remained in the season.
    If he's claimed on waivers, you're right. They'd be claiming him contract intact, so they'd pay whatever part the Reds hadn't paid yet. But if he's not claimed and is simply released, anyone who picked him up after that would only have to pay him the MLB minimum with the Reds responsible for the rest. Of course, with Fogg it's not a big difference dollar-wise.
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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    There's no way the team cuts on Fogg after 1 crummy start -- he'll have to tank at least a month before they make a rotation move.

    More than likely, Fogg stays in the rotation until Bailey is ready.
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    Re: ETA on Belisle?

    Belisle made a rehab start tonight for Sarasota and put up this line:

    8.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K, 19 GO/4 FO

    Give him another rehab start or two and then bring him up to replace Josh Fogg.


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