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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    I honestly wouldn't. His season last year was better than any one season Morgan ever had.
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    Phillips 2007
    AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	AVG
    650	107	187	26	6	30	94	33	109	32	8	331	485	288
    
    Joe Morgan 1971-1977
    Year	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	AVG
    1971	583	87	149	27	11	13	56	88	52	40	8	351	407	256
    1972	552	122	161	23	4	16	73	115	44	58	17	417	435	292
    1973	576	116	167	35	2	26	82	111	61	67	15	406	493	290
    1974	512	107	150	31	3	22	67	120	69	58	12	427	494	293
    1975	498	107	163	27	6	17	94	132	52	67	10	466	508	327
    1976	472	113	151	30	5	27	111	114	41	60	9	444	576	320
    1977	521	113	150	21	6	22	78	117	58	49	10	417	478	288
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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Re: Phillips. Behold the power of counting stats. Morgan is one of the best 2B of all-time. Phillips should make a few all-star games.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy View Post
    I don't think Sheffield has had a better career than Morgan all around, and McCann and probably even Sizemore is probably a stretch at this point. Joe Morgan is one of the top 5 second basemen in big league history. You don't stumble across those all that often, whereas an outfielder like Sizemore comes along quite often.
    I'll concede that Morgan is better than Sheffield relative to position, but in regards to Sizemore, he is only 25 years old and already has three 20/20 seasons under his belt. He plays a good center field and in his prime, could be capabale of consistently putting up a .900 OPS or higher. People like Sizemore come around somewhat often, but it's very rare for them to stick around. If Sizemore sticks around and continues on his current pace, I think he'll be every bit as good as Morgan.

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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    I honestly wouldn't. His season last year was better than any one season Morgan ever had.
    sava, your inexperience is showing...I love BP, but Joe Morgan was one of the best I have ever seen. See the stats above- and pay close attention to the OBP...

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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM View Post
    Methinks some people in this thread aren't really grasping just how great a player Joe Morgan really was.
    Amen

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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM View Post
    Methinks some people in this thread aren't really grasping just how great a player Joe Morgan really was.
    And those that never saw him play need to look long and hard at those numbers.

    Six consecutive seasons with an OBP north of .400. His numbers in 1975 and 1976 are just sickening.
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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM View Post
    Methinks some people in this thread aren't really grasping just how great a player Joe Morgan really was.
    Maybe the younger crowd is confusing Joe Morgan the analyst (pedestrian) with Joe Morgan the baseball player (no doubt Hall of Famer)??

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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Quote Originally Posted by cincrazy View Post
    I don't think Sheffield has had a better career than Morgan all around. . .
    interesting comparison.
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    Joe Morgan
    Year	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	AVG
    1963	25	5	6	0	1	0	3	5	5	1	0	367	320	240
    1964	37	4	7	0	0	0	0	6	7	0	1	302	189	189
    1965	601	100	163	22	12	14	40	97	77	20	9	373	418	271
    1966	425	60	121	14	8	5	42	89	43	11	8	410	391	285
    1967	494	73	136	27	11	6	42	81	51	29	5	378	411	275
    1968	20	6	5	0	1	0	0	7	4	3	0	444	350	250
    1969	535	94	126	18	5	15	43	110	74	49	14	365	372	236
    1970	548	102	147	28	9	8	52	102	55	42	13	383	396	268
    1971	583	87	149	27	11	13	56	88	52	40	8	351	407	256
    1972	552	122	161	23	4	16	73	115	44	58	17	417	435	292
    1973	576	116	167	35	2	26	82	111	61	67	15	406	493	290
    1974	512	107	150	31	3	22	67	120	69	58	12	427	494	293
    1975	498	107	163	27	6	17	94	132	52	67	10	466	508	327
    1976	472	113	151	30	5	27	111	114	41	60	9	444	576	320
    1977	521	113	150	21	6	22	78	117	58	49	10	417	478	288
    1978	441	68	104	27	0	13	75	79	40	19	5	347	385	236
    1979	436	70	109	26	1	9	32	93	45	28	6	379	376	250
    1980	461	66	112	17	5	11	49	93	47	24	6	367	373	243
    1981	308	47	74	16	1	8	31	66	37	14	5	371	377	240
    1982	463	68	134	19	4	14	61	85	60	24	4	400	438	289
    1983	404	72	93	20	1	16	59	89	54	18	2	370	403	230
    1984	365	50	89	21	0	6	43	66	39	8	3	356	351	244
    Total	9277	1650	2517	449	96	268	1133	1865	1015	689	162	392	427	371
    
    Gary Sheffield
    Year	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	AVG
    1988	80	12	19	1	0	4	12	7	7	3	1	295	400	238
    1989	368	34	91	18	0	5	32	27	33	10	6	303	337	247
    1990	487	67	143	30	1	10	67	44	41	25	10	350	421	294
    1991	175	25	34	12	2	2	22	19	15	5	5	277	320	194
    1992	557	87	184	34	3	33	100	48	40	5	6	385	580	330
    1993	494	67	145	20	5	20	73	47	64	17	5	361	476	294
    1994	322	61	89	16	1	27	78	51	50	12	6	380	584	276
    1995	213	46	69	8	0	16	46	55	45	19	4	467	587	324
    1996	519	118	163	33	1	42	120	142	66	16	9	465	624	314
    1997	444	86	111	22	1	21	71	121	79	11	7	424	446	250
    1998	437	73	132	27	2	22	85	95	46	22	7	410	522	302
    1999	549	103	165	20	0	34	101	101	64	11	5	407	523	301
    2000	501	105	163	24	3	43	109	101	74	4	6	438	643	325
    2001	515	98	160	28	2	36	100	94	67	10	4	417	583	311
    2002	492	82	151	26	0	25	84	72	53	12	2	404	512	307
    2003	576	126	190	37	2	39	132	86	55	18	4	419	604	330
    2004	573	117	166	30	1	36	121	92	83	5	6	393	534	290
    2005	584	104	170	27	0	34	123	78	76	10	2	379	512	291
    2006	151	22	45	5	0	6	25	13	16	5	1	355	450	298
    2007	494	107	131	20	1	25	75	84	71	22	5	378	462	265
    2008	7	0	1	0	0	0	1	5	1	0	0	500	143	143
    Total	8538	1540	2522	438	25	480	1577	1382	1043	242	101	397	521	295
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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Quote Originally Posted by Hap View Post
    Jeff Keppinger is a very solid infielder. He should get the bulk of the time at first base after A-Go is healthy and Votto (time to go to Japan) goes to AAA.

    Brandon Phillips may become better than Joe Morgan.


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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    I am wearing a nice, black Toronto Blue Jays hat right now.

    i will offer to eat said hat should Phillips reach Joe Morgan's level of play on the field.
    Nothing to see here. Please disperse.

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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    One thing I noticed today (section 528) was the large amounts of people wearing Reds attire. It seemed way more common than usual.
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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Joe Morgan's the best second baseman the game has ever seen since Rogers Hornsby retired.

    Brandon Phillips is a good player, and he's a good second sacker. But he wasn't even the best second baseman on the field Friday night, Saturday afternoon, Sunday afternoon, and likely tomorrow afternoon.

    Needless to say, Phillips isn't anywhere near Joe Morgan, and it's doubtful he ever will be.
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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Here's an interesting question...

    Do you think Utley can be as good as Morgan? Obviously, he won't be quite as good defensively, but offensively, he has a chance at being as good if not better over a full career.

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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Overall, I think Utley is talented enough to be as good as Morgan. I think it comes down to durability.

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    Re: My Thoughts Today From Section 519

    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    I honestly wouldn't. His season last year was better than any one season Morgan ever had.
    arguably. Look at Morgan's insane OBP/BA and then tell me that Brandon was superior last year.
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