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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    So, last season was a wash, and he's starting over.
    He won't start in the GCL. The GCL and Billings rosters aren't up to date at all because they don't matter right now. Rookie ball season begins in mid to late June.

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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Now, the other question.....Do we draft a Catcher with our 2nd Round pick?
    The Reds don't have a 2nd rounder this year (lost when they signed Cordero). I'd hope they're looking seriously at 2 catchers for their 1st round pick -- both Buster Posey and Kyle Skipworth are getting very good press so far. Both are being talked about as possible top 10 picks. Having a homegrown, above average catcher is a real nice advantage for a team these days. Folks will hate the pick, I'm pretty sure, but that's the draft.....
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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    Derek Jeter springs immediately to mind.
    Jeter was in A ball halfway through his first season. Mesoraco is repeating Rookie ball in his second season. Jeter was also in AAA before his 21st birthday. I don't really see that happening with Devin.

    Devin was a bad pick IMO, but hopefully he can prove me wrong. Like I said however, if he isn't dominating once the Rookie league season starts...
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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    He won't start in the GCL. The GCL and Billings rosters aren't up to date at all because they don't matter right now. Rookie ball season begins in mid to late June.

    So, he'll replace one of these two from Billings or just be added to them?


    Catchers (click column headers to sort)
    Num Name Pos Bat Thw Ht Wt Age DOB Status 40-man MLB
    15 Tyler Hauschild C R R 6' 0" 210 22 11-24-1985 Active No
    29 Francis Meade C R R 6' 1" 215 22 09-27-1985 Active No

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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    The REDS have 5 catchers listed on the GCL REDS, so it does make sense that Mesoraco will not be on it whenever he can get to Billings....

    What's holding him up?

    Here are the Catchers on the GCL REDS...

    Catchers (click column headers to sort)
    Num Name Pos Bat Thw Ht Wt Age DOB Status 40-man MLB
    53 Petr Cech C L R 5' 10" 185 20 10-13-1987 Active No
    Fernando Encarnacion C R R 6' 0" 185 22 07-23-1985 Active No
    37 Devin Mesoraco C R R 6' 1" 200 19 06-19-1988 Active No
    59 Todd Waller C R R 6' 1" 195 20 04-26-1987 Active No
    38 Jordan Wideman C R R 5' 11" 200 19 03-14-1989 Active No

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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    BTW, any REDS' fans in Billings who can report on their games by going to them?

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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    That is last years roster. It means absolutely nothing. The Reds will probably draft 2 or 3 more catchers this year and have them in the GCL.

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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    That is last years roster. It means absolutely nothing. The Reds will probably draft 2 or 3 more catchers this year and have them in the GCL.

    So, are you saying that the GCL REDS and Billings REDS are currently listing players on the roster (the link that the Cincinnati REDS use) that aren't on their roster, and that the Dayton Dragons have players listed on their roster that also are listed on the Billings roster because as you say, the Billings roster is last year's roster, too?

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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    A good hitting catcher with great defensive skills isn't enough reward?
    Not when you take into account that he's not really that good a hitter. We've been over this before, Mesoraco's skills are all relative. He had plus skills "for a catcher." That's low reward. If he had plus hitting, power and speed for an OF and he played catcher, then I'd see where the big reward is. Thing is, he doesn't and he's not even particularly close in any of those categories.

    He's a kid with a strong arm whose other talents were made to look better than they are against weak and younger competition. It's the classic formula for a catcher overdraft.

    Had the Reds landed him two or three rounds later, I'd have a much different take. Then I'd say the reward justified the risk, but with the #15 pick it's like buying a lottery ticket in the hopes that you can win a lottery ticket. HS catcher from central PA. No matter how many times you say it, it never sounds good.
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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Looking at the Dayton, Billings and GCL rosters, the Dayton roster is correct and anyone who was on Billings last year has had their names removed. The Billings roster hasn't been determined yet, apparently, and of course, neither has GCL.

    When does Billings begin play?

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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Billings and the GCL Reds begin in mid-June.

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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Not when you take into account that he's not really that good a hitter. We've been over this before, Mesoraco's skills are all relative. He had plus skills "for a catcher." That's low reward. If he had plus hitting, power and speed for an OF and he played catcher, then I'd see where the big reward is. Thing is, he doesn't and he's not even particularly close in any of those categories.
    He has bat speed (for any and all positions), power potential (for his position) and a very strong understanding of the strikezone (for any and all positions). Speed wise, he isn't slow. He isn't fast, but he isn't slow.

    Frankly, if he plays catcher, shouldn't his tools be rated as a catcher? Catchers don't have to hit like corner infielders or outfielders, so why should their tools be compared? That doesn't make sense. If Mesoraco is a good hitting catcher with great defense, how is it low reward 'just because he is a catcher'?

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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Billings doesn't begin until mid-June?

    A #1 pick needs to be playing baseball in April and May of his 2nd year even if he struggles there.

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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    So, are you saying that the GCL REDS and Billings REDS are currently listing players on the roster (the link that the Cincinnati REDS use) that aren't on their roster, and that the Dayton Dragons have players listed on their roster that also are listed on the Billings roster because as you say, the Billings roster is last year's roster, too?
    I am saying the only rosters that are up to date are Dayton, Sarasota, Chattanooga and Louisville. The only thing done to the GCL and Billings roster is that players assigned to other clubs have been removed.

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    Re: What's up with Mesaraco?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    Billings doesn't begin until mid-June?

    A #1 pick needs to be playing baseball in April and May of his 2nd year even if he struggles there.
    He is playing baseball, we just don't get to see or hear about it. The guys down there practice every day and play games against other extended spring training teams.


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