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    OBP-RBI=LOB

    It seems to me that high LOB numbers point to the limitations of the otherwise valuable OBP stat. A team can have several innings a game with runners on base, adding to the OBP, while leading to nothing. The assumption is that if you just keep getting on base, you'll score runs. It tends to work out that way, but lineup construction can work against that, if you're gettng on base for Castro to drive you in.

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    Dunn batting fifth is one asinine part of this equation.
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    Exactly. When you get good OBP and you don't get runs, you should be placing the blame on the guys not driving them in, not the guys getting on base. When you put 2 of your 3 best OBP guys behind your avg/power guys, what do you expect? Look no further than Corey Patterson's 4 solo homers to understand the impact of an upside down batting order.
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    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: OBP-RBI=LOB

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    Dunn batting fifth is one asinine part of this equation.
    Even Narron moved him up vs righties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    It seems to me that high LOB numbers point to the limitations of the otherwise valuable OBP stat. A team can have several innings a game with runners on base, adding to the OBP, while leading to nothing. The assumption is that if you just keep getting on base, you'll score runs. It tends to work out that way, but lineup construction can work against that, if you're gettng on base for Castro to drive you in.
    Which is why OBP is a good thing, but not the be-all and end-all of understanding run production.

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    Re: OBP-RBI=LOB

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    Dunn batting fifth is one asinine part of this equation.
    Because he has shown he doesn't belong there so far this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Because he has shown he doesn't belong there so far this season.
    Or for his career.

    Check his OBP.

    There's a reason he's leading the NL in walks.

    2 or 3 is where he should be.
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    Re: OBP-RBI=LOB

    IMO, Dunn should bat 3rd or 4th.

    Ever.

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    Dunn 3rd, JR 4th, Phillips 5th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Dunn 3rd, JR 4th, Phillips 5th.
    That'll fix things, sure.

    Dusty has no true leadoff hitter. Dunn and EE aren't hitting, killing rally after rally right now. The catcher doesn't hit. The entire offense is left handed. Phillips is a fine player, but not a cleanup hitter. They can't figure out who the first baseman is.

    And folks think the batting order is the problem? Please. It's the personnel.

    There is not a single all-star caliber hitter on this team. The team has been BA challenged for years. The offense is usually walks and homers. That's why they always lose in big stadiums out west, where you need to string hits together.

    You can tinker with the batting order, sure. It's probably not ideal. But this offense lacks balance and needs better hitters. Some of the young guys, Votto, Bruce, Todd Frazier may help.

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    Re: OBP-RBI=LOB

    Lets don't make things complicated. Dunn is slumping. When Dunn slumps, the Reds offense doesn't reach its potential.

    Granted if EE would hit and Votto would stop the Casey routine, it would help, but Dunn's hitting is what makes the Reds offense go.

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    Re: OBP-RBI=LOB

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    That'll fix things, sure.

    Dusty has no true leadoff hitter. Dunn and EE aren't hitting, killing rally after rally right now. The catcher doesn't hit. The entire offense is left handed. Phillips is a fine player, but not a cleanup hitter. They can't figure out who the first baseman is.

    And folks think the batting order is the problem? Please. It's the personnel.

    There is not a single all-star caliber hitter on this team. The team has been BA challenged for years. The offense is usually walks and homers. That's why they always lose in big stadiums out west, where you need to string hits together.

    You can tinker with the batting order, sure. It's probably not ideal. But this offense lacks balance and needs better hitters. Some of the young guys, Votto, Bruce, Todd Frazier may help.
    Can you clarify this statement? I want to make sure I understand your position before I attempt to debate the notion that we lack an all-star caliber hitter.

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    Re: OBP-RBI=LOB

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    It seems to me that high LOB numbers point to the limitations of the otherwise valuable OBP stat. A team can have several innings a game with runners on base, adding to the OBP, while leading to nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Exactly. When you get good OBP and you don't get runs, you should be placing the blame on the guys not driving them in, not the guys getting on base. When you put 2 of your 3 best OBP guys behind your avg/power guys, what do you expect? Look no further than Corey Patterson's 4 solo homers to understand the impact of an upside down batting order.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    OBP loads the sacks.
    SLG brings 'em home.
    Bingo gentlemen. And our SLG% is dismal right now.... team .399, and .386 w/ RISP. And a .248 team BA w/RISP.
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    Re: OBP-RBI=LOB

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    Or for his career.

    Check his OBP.

    There's a reason he's leading the NL in walks.

    2 or 3 is where he should be.

    Adam Dunn is in that lineup to drive in runs. At the #5 position there should be plenty of opportunities to do that. His high OBP does not impress me if he doesn't drive in runs. If you're Ryan Freel then yes. I'd like to see a high OBP.

    But Adam Dunn is not the highest paid player on this team just so he can draw 100 walks. When the bases are juiced he needs to do something to drive in a run in a game like last night. There's no blaming the batting order or pointing to his high OBP to get around that.

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    Re: OBP-RBI=LOB

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Adam Dunn is in that lineup to drive in runs. At the #5 position there should be plenty of opportunities to do that. His high OBP does not impress me if he doesn't drive in runs. If you're Ryan Freel then yes. I'd like to see a high OBP.

    But Adam Dunn is not the highest paid player on this team just so he can draw 100 walks. When the bases are juiced he needs to do something to drive in a run in a game like last night. There's no blaming the batting order or pointing to his high OBP to get around that.
    Who decided Dunn has to drive in so many runs? I'll take 100 RBI's with 120 Runs scored (which is how many he might get if he batted second). Why can't he just score them when he is in a slump, and drive them in when he gets going?
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."


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