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    Re: Corey Patterson Article On Fan Graphs

    He has a .189 BABIP on the year. Wouldn't that explain the reduced Ks and no increase in OBP?

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    Re: Corey Patterson Article On Fan Graphs

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    He has a .189 BABIP on the year. Wouldn't that explain the reduced Ks and no increase in OBP?
    It explains the OBP to an extent. I don't think BABIP has anything to do with K's


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    It explains the OBP to an extent. I don't think BABIP has anything to do with K's


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    Re: Corey Patterson Article On Fan Graphs

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    as you point out he is trading one kind of for another. From my perspective, out are outs, be it Ks or GOs or FOs. He is making different kinds of outs but he stat line is saying the same thing. Middling BA, low OBP, some power.
    I do have to disagree here. Outs are not outs. When you put the ball in play you move runners over, you get errors, put more pressure on the defense - all kind of things can happen. When you K that's it. You walk to the duggout with your head down.

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    Re: Corey Patterson Article On Fan Graphs

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds1 View Post
    I do have to disagree here. Outs are not outs. When you put the ball in play you move runners over, you get errors, put more pressure on the defense - all kind of things can happen. When you K that's it. You walk to the dugout with your head down.
    One of the things that can happen is hitting into a double play, and it happens a lot. On a macro level, the damage from DPs cancels out most of the benefits from so-called productive outs, making "just put it in play" largely a wash.
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    Re: Corey Patterson Article On Fan Graphs

    I do have to disagree here. Outs are not outs. When you put the ball in play you move runners over, you get errors, put more pressure on the defense - all kind of things can happen. When you K that's it. You walk to the dugout with your head down.
    One of the things that can happen is hitting into a double play, and it happens a lot. On a macro level, the damage from DPs cancels out most of the benefits from so-called productive outs, making "just put it in play" largely a wash.
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    Re: Corey Patterson Article On Fan Graphs

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    One of the things that can happen is hitting into a double play, and it happens a lot. On a macro level, the damage from DPs cancels out most of the benefits from so-called productive outs, making "just put it in play" largely a wash.
    Maybe with some hitters, but I would guess (don't have stats) with Patterson's speed would keep him out of many DP. He's also lead off so no one would be on base in many of his ABs.

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    Re: Corey Patterson Article On Fan Graphs

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds1 View Post
    Maybe with some hitters, but I would guess (don't have stats) with Patterson's speed would keep him out of many DP. He's also lead off so no one would be on base in many of his ABs.
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    Re: Corey Patterson Article On Fan Graphs

    Part of Corey's problem from a BABIP perspective is bad luck. However, part of it is that the quality of his batted balls has dropped as his contact rate is going up. He's trading strikeouts for non-HR flyballs -- the least valuable batted ball there is.
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    Re: Corey Patterson Article On Fan Graphs

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandRed View Post
    One of the things that can happen is hitting into a double play, and it happens a lot. On a macro level, the damage from DPs cancels out most of the benefits from so-called productive outs, making "just put it in play" largely a wash.
    The flip side of that is, if you believe in BABIP and the randomness of hits falling in, that every ball you put in play has about a 30% of chance of finding a hole.

    Anytime you can replace 30 K's with 30 balls in play, you stand a pretty good chance of getting 9 extra hits out of the deal. Sure, you might also get an extra GIDP or two, but that is largely offset just by the increased chance of a 'productive' out or of reaching base via an error, to say nothing of those nine extra hits.
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    Re: Corey Patterson Article On Fan Graphs

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    He's trading strikeouts for non-HR flyballs -- the least valuable batted ball there is.
    What makes you think he is trading strikeouts for warning track fly balls? The guy has been driving the ball out of the park at a much higher rate than at any other time during his career.

    I'd say some of those extra fly balls most definitely turned into home runs.


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