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    Willie Randolph no fan of fraternization

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...45,print.story

    Fraternization makes Mets' Randolph hostile

    DAVID LENNON

    This week's visit to Shea by the Nationals, a team managed by former Mets coach Manny Acta, again featured the kind of affection usually reserved for family reunions. Hugs, handshakes, plenty of laughs.

    Acta is a great guy, and still well liked in Mets circles. But it's a little strange after the events of last September to see the teams maintain the same close contact on Shea's front lawn. It didn't sit well with everyone.

    Manager Willie Randolph, an old-school veteran of the gang warfare between the Yankees and Red Sox, was not among the intermingling groups of front-office members and players. Not this week, and rarely.

    To see one of his former lieutenants fawned over by members of the Mets organization probably makes every game against Washington an annoyance for Randolph. But that doesn't seem to be changing any time soon, and neither does the inexplicable chumminess between some Mets and the team that humiliated them only seven months ago.

    "How does that happen? How does that become normal?" Randolph said. "I don't know. It's just foreign to me, that's all. I'm fine with, 'Hey, how you doing?' That stuff. I wish that we could enforce it more, really. They talk about it, but I don't really see anyone policing it. You can't force people not to talk to someone."

    This is not merely Randolph trying to talk tough. Major League Baseball prohibits fraternization. Rule 3.09 states, in part, "Players of opposing teams shall not fraternize at any time while in uniform."

    Few seem to know of the rule, much less care. And as Randolph said, what could be done to enforce it, other than teammates policing each other? The league did send out a memorandum last season, dated March 29, as a reminder of the rule, which was highlighted in bold letters.

    Such memos are supposed to be displayed in the clubhouse, under the assumption that everyone can see them. More often, however, they are largely ignored, unless it pertains to uniform specifications, the use of cell phones or which official sponsor's sports drink is allowed on the bench.

    This fraternization memo remains posted in the Mets clubhouse, but it was part of a thick cluster attached to a clipboard hanging on the wall. It also was 20 pages deep, buried beneath memos for bat labels, charging the mound and throwing at hitters.

    There are players, however, that don't need a refresher course in keeping the competitive integrity of the game. Not surprisingly, one of them is David Wright, who, like his manager, refrains from the coffee klatches that pop up around the batting cage with opposing players.

    "In my eyes, that's something I'm very aware of," Wright said. "I'll keep it down to a quick hello and that's it. I'll be the first one to be friendly with other players before we come to the park or after leaving the park. But as far as that time when I have my uniform on and they have their uniform on, I want to go out there and kick their butt.

    "I think it's important that they know that I'm serious about winning and I expect the same from them. That's not saying anything about the guys that do it - I'm just not into it. I want to go out there to win, and if that means taking out a shortstop or running over a catcher, then I'm going to do it."

    Wright, at 25, at least understands why that attitude remains important. Sure, Wright was not even born during the time of those blood feuds that molded Randolph in the mid- and late '70s. And he was only starting elementary school when the Mets threw as many punches as pitches during their championship run in 1986.

    But as close as he is with the Nats' Ryan Zimmerman, a fellow Virginian, Wright kept his distance before this week's games. Former teammate Paul Lo Duca got a hug, but after that, Wright only waved from the other side of the batting cage.

    "I don't want to be a guy's best friend before the game," Wright said. "It's important to me these guys realize - for the five or six hours we're here - that they're the enemy. We're going to go out there and do whatever we can to beat them."
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    Re: Willie Randolph no fan of fraternization

    You cannot beat your opponent unless you dislike them; Proven fact.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Willie Randolph no fan of fraternization

    It was Casey's love of fraternization that subconsiously lead to those DP's.

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    Re: Willie Randolph no fan of fraternization

    I'm old I guess. Once the uniform goes on the other guy is enemy. I don't care if it's your darn brother. And David Wrght just climbed another notch in my book.

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    Re: Willie Randolph no fan of fraternization

    I assume the rule goes back to the concept of integrity. Especially in earlier times, it was extremely important to make it clear that the game was not a staged contest but an actual competition. Fraternizing while in uniform could call that in to question.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Willie Randolph no fan of fraternization

    We haven't heard much lately about the Reds fraternizing with ex-Reds who play and work for the Nationals. It will be interesting to see whether a clubhouse run by Dusty allows that fraternization.
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    Re: Willie Randolph no fan of fraternization

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    It was Casey's love of fraternization that subconsiously lead to those DP's.
    So...Brandon Phillips likes the other teams?
    Last edited by KronoRed; 04-19-2008 at 02:09 PM.
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    Re: Willie Randolph no fan of fraternization

    I agree 100%.....what is this a ka session with the other team?
    You are all buddy buddy.......would never do that with a Dodger.

    Bring back the complete game....long reliever (Granger, marshall, Sullivan) and high stirrups that show plenty of white sock, too.


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