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    Re: Moves I would make

    Hopper brings nothing to the team. His routes in the OF make Freel look like a gold glover. His speed isn't much better than average, as shown by his historically below average stolen base rates. He has no power to speak of, and Freel can do everything Hopper can as well as passably playing two infield positions.

    I still don't understand why everyone associated with the Reds loves Hopper so much (especially the Brennamans). He is a AAA player. Having him available just adds the possibility of stupidity, and true to form Baker has double switched him into the game for Dunn on multiple occasions. I'd rather go back to the Narronian rosters of 12 pitchers and 3 catchers, and I couldn't stand those. Hopper on the major league roster is more conducive to losing than winning.

    This bench is an out-and-out embarrassment, and I won't start on Castro.

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    Re: Moves I would make

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    Keppinger
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    Griffey
    Phillips
    Patterson
    Bako/Valentin
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post

    They are not going to recall Bruce (waste options) unless he is playing everyday. And I agree with that position.

    Who are they holding back? And I don't want them DFAing these guys just to bring up a Bruce to sit the bench and get limited ABs. That doesn't help a 21 yr old at all.

    Keppinger
    Dunn
    EE
    Votto
    Griffey
    Phillips
    Bruce/ Patterson
    Bako/Valentin
    Code:
    Votto Lou
    .294 .381 .478 .859 
    Jay Bruce Lou 2007
    .305 .358 .567 .925 
    Jay Bruce Lou 2008
     .323 .344 .548 .892
    Votto Chat
    .319 .408 .547 .955 
    Bruce Chat
    .333 .405 .652 1.057
    Votto SAR
    .256 .330 .425 .755 
    Bruce Sar
    .325 .379 .586 .965
    According to minor league sources online
    Jay Bruce
    Some speed and can hold his own in center, a position he's played frequently in the Minors. Profiles as an elite right-fielder who'll hit for average and power while stopping runners from taking the extra base with his arm.

    Jay Bruce ranked #1 Votto #34

    I feel confident that Bruce via comparison to Votto and other information is ready for centerfield with the Reds over what the Reds currently have in Freel, Hopper and Patterson.

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    Bruce is raking in Louisville -- but his inability to walk really continues to concern me.
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    Re: Moves I would make

    These just seem like moves that are blatantly obvious to make.

    Weathers to DL with Belisle coming up was one that happend already.

    Hairston up and Castro DFA couldn't get anymore obvious.
    Bruce up and Hopper to AAA/Freel DFA (take your pick)
    Bray up and Fogg DFA/Coffey to AAA (take your pick)

    Votto/Bruce
    Keppinger
    Dunn
    Griffey
    Phillips/Encarnacion
    Bruce/Votto
    Encarnacion/Phillips
    Bako
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    Re: Moves I would make

    Quote Originally Posted by boognish View Post
    Hopper brings nothing to the team. His routes in the OF make Freel look like a gold glover. His speed isn't much better than average, as shown by his historically below average stolen base rates. He has no power to speak of, and Freel can do everything Hopper can as well as passably playing two infield positions.


    This bench is an out-and-out embarrassment, and I won't start on Castro.

    Hopper and Castro haven't played today and the Reds have one run on 4 hits. Hopper and Castro combined have 35 at bats in the Reds 19 games this year. The issue isn't Hopper. And it isn't Castro. These guys hardly ever play.

    The issue is the guys who do play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    These just seem like moves that are blatantly obvious to make.

    Weathers to DL with Belisle coming up was one that happend already.

    Hairston up and Castro DFA couldn't get anymore obvious.
    Bruce up and Hopper to AAA/Freel DFA (take your pick)
    Bray up and Fogg DFA/Coffey to AAA (take your pick)

    Votto/Bruce
    Keppinger
    Dunn
    Griffey
    Phillips/Encarnacion
    Bruce/Votto
    Encarnacion/Phillips
    Bako
    I'd go:

    SS Keppinger
    1B Votto
    RF Griffey
    2B Phillips
    LF Dunn
    3B Encarnacion
    CF Bruce
    C Bako (Ross)

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    Re: Moves I would make

    Thanks for the numerous responses to my post gentlemen.

    If they bring Bruce up and Dusty gives him the starting CF job and lets him play every day without jerking the kid in and out of the lineup, then I am all for that.

    I just don't want the kid brought up in a platoon role with Patterson where he is spending a lot of time on the bench. Make Patterson the sub off the bench.

    They could DFA Castro and Freel tomorrow and I wouldn't care. I might even do a little jig in celebration. But the burden of why this team has struggled in the early stages of the season is due to those few key players I mentioned earlier, and Baker's lineup construction.
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    Re: Moves I would make

    I re-tool the lineup this way:

    Kepp
    Dunn
    Jr.
    EE
    Votto
    Phillips
    Patterson
    Ross/Bako
    P

    I DFA Fogg. In fact, if I could, I'd DFA him twice. I'm shopping Arroyo to every "contender" with pitching issues. With Weathers on the DL, Bray gets the call. If I get a decent offer for Arroyo (Young power hitting RH OF or good young catching prospect + pitching) AND Bailey continues to pitch like he has been, then Bailey is in the rotation as the #5 if he hasn't been passed by Daryl Thompson (lightning in a bottle)

    That leaves the bench. That abysmal bench.

    Bruce get's promoted by mid to late May. Patterson is the 4th OF. Hopper to AAA, or gets shopped. Freel has too much versatility, so I don't move him. The three catcher crap goes away with my next DFA, Valentin. Hatte and Patterson are the LH off the bench, so I need a RH. I'm not saying who that is right now. I evaluate AAA and AA to see who is available in house. If no one excites me, I look outside.

    Those are the moves I'd make.
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    Re: Moves I would make

    I'd love to send Arroyo to LA for Matt Kemp...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: Moves I would make

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I'd love to send Arroyo to LA for Matt Kemp...
    I'd love to send Arroyo to LA for Matt Kemp also.

    LA probably wouldn't love to do it.

    I know if I was them I wouldn't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gainesville Red View Post
    I'd love to send Arroyo to LA for Matt Kemp also.

    LA probably wouldn't love to do it.

    I know if I was them I wouldn't do it.
    Well, they already have five good starting pitchers. I guess that is kind of an obstacle...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: Moves I would make

    Well, the lineup construction has been an issue since day one and Baker seems to have no clue about how to fix it. His latest attempt is to move a traditionally-lower OBP option (Phillips) to the 2-slot in order. The pieces are there, but I'll be darned if Baker can figure out how to put the puzzle together.

    That being said, has anyone noticed that the Reds pitchers have allowed more HR than any other NL team?
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    Re: Moves I would make

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Well, they already have five good starting pitchers. I guess that is kind of an obstacle...
    And yet they're not all that great of a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSD View Post

    That being said, has anyone noticed that the Reds pitchers have allowed more HR than any other NL team?
    Every starter (except Fogg) is a FB pitcher--yet Fogg has added to the conflagration. Belisle's not likely to change matters in the HR dept.


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