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    Amazingly Bad Lineup Construction

    Here is the Reds lineup tonight, with BA and OPS included.

    1. Ryan Freel (.273/.589)
    2. Brandon Phillips (.253/.682)
    3. Ken Griffey Jr. (.268/.762)
    4. Adam Dunn (.182/.730)
    5. Jeff Keppinger (.321/.852)
    6. Joey Votto (.292/.848)
    7. Edwin Encarnacion (.266/.882)
    8. Paul Bako (.327/.921)


    Am I the only one that sees a problem with this?

    First of all, somebody needs to tell Dusty CF right now is the Reds worst offensive position on the diamond. If it's Patterson, Freel, or Hopper, none of them belong anywhere near leadoff. Somebody really needs to tell Brandon Phillips to stop swinging for the downs. He is looking like he did back in his old day with the Indians.

    The Reds 4 best hitters right now (3 of which whom I don't see why you would expect to stop hitting) are batting in the bottom 4 spots of the batting order (excluding the pitcher).

    Something isn't right about that.
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    Re: Amazingly Bad Lineup Construction

    Bako should be batting higher

    That is damn funny, even though we KNOW it won't last.

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    Re: Amazingly Bad Lineup Construction

    I agree with you on Freel, but your reading far too much into the sample size. I mean Paul Bako has the highest OPS so far... you can't base these types of decisions on such small samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns View Post
    I agree with you on Freel, but your reading far too much into the sample size. I mean Paul Bako has the highest OPS so far... you can't base these types of decisions on such small samples.
    Freel and Phillips belong nowhere near 1-2.

    Freel should be batting 8th, and Phillips 6th.
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    Re: Amazingly Bad Lineup Construction

    Seeing Griffey and Dunn 3/4 is a welcomed change.

    Unfortunately, that welcomed change came at the expense of having Freel and Phillips 1/2, when Keppinger's shown good production out of the 2 spot, and Phillips continues to be an out-making machine.

    Sadly, the Reds continue to lack a true leadoff hitter, and I fear that not having a reliable table-setter at the top of the lineup will only lead to less runs scored, and an anemic offense not putting up enough runs for a fledgling pitching staff.

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    I don't agree with you on Bako.

    Everything else you mention, I'm cool wit it.

    CF at lead-off written in stone is just plain dumb considering our personnel.

    Oh well, c'est la vie.
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    Re: Amazingly Bad Lineup Construction

    1. Keppinger
    2. Votto
    3. Dunn
    4. Encarnacion
    5. Griffey
    6. Phillips
    7. Bako
    8. Whoever is playing CF unless his name is Jay Bruce
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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Freel and Phillips belong nowhere near 1-2.

    Freel should be batting 8th, and Phillips 6th.
    I agreed with you on Freel... and Phillips isn't going to be moved. This discussion has taken place literally every day for the past 3 years on this board. Yes, Phillips should not be #2, but really have you just discovered this now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    First of all, somebody needs to tell Dusty CF right now is the Reds worst offensive position on the diamond.
    I didn't know how right you are until I just read the following.

    MORE COREY: Baker didn’t realize until Sunday that Patterson had been struggling so mightily on offense. He’s hitless in his last 21 at-bats, tying a career high. In his last 10 games, he’s 1-for-28.

    “It didn’t seem like that because he’s not striking out. Most of the time when a guy is 0-for-something, he’s got a bunch of punch-outs in there,” Baker said.

    Patterson has only struck out four times in 59 at-bats.

    He’s one of the toughest players to fan in the league, with one strikeout in every 20 at-bats, Baker said.

    “He’ll be all right,” Baker said. “He’ll be fine.”
    And Baker can't be handed some of the blame ? I think so.

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    Re: Amazingly Bad Lineup Construction

    That's nice. Dusty didn't even know.


    WE KNEW!!!! We're just stupid fans.

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    We can harp on the lineup construction all day but bottom line is that these guys need to start hitting...period. If they were performing and lineup construction was holding them back then I think we'd have a legit beef. But you can order these guys anyway you'd like right now. The only difference would be that we wouldn't have Dusty to blame.

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    MORE COREY: Baker didn’t realize until Sunday that Patterson had been struggling so mightily on offense. He’s hitless in his last 21 at-bats, tying a career high. In his last 10 games, he’s 1-for-28.

    “It didn’t seem like that because he’s not striking out. Most of the time when a guy is 0-for-something, he’s got a bunch of punch-outs in there,” Baker said.

    Patterson has only struck out four times in 59 at-bats.

    He’s one of the toughest players to fan in the league, with one strikeout in every 20 at-bats, Baker said.

    “He’ll be all right,” Baker said. “He’ll be fine.”

    God help us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    That's nice. Dusty didn't even know.


    WE KNEW!!!! We're just stupid fans.
    What else doesn't he realize?

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    Re: Amazingly Bad Lineup Construction

    Quote Originally Posted by CrackerJack View Post
    God help us all.
    Good Lord.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    That's nice. Dusty didn't even know.


    WE KNEW!!!! We're just stupid fans.
    Things aren't as bad as we thought.... they're worse!

    Can someone get Dusty a stat sheet?!?!?!?! LMAO, just utterly ridiculous. :thumbdown Wake up Dusty.
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