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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I've seen this sentiment all over the place. Why?
    Well there is that draft thingy coming up.....
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    With the advent of Jocketty hanging around Wayne was obviously on a short leash. I figured he'd make it till the end of the season. With eating Stanton and Castro's contracts along with potential eating of Freel's and Fogg's coupled with the slow start I moved the timetable up to the all-star break.

    If BCast was going to do this, I'd much rather he do it now, than wait untill the season is a total mess.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    I called it. http://www.redszone.com/forums/showp...38&postcount=5

    FCB, I thought you said there was no way Krivsky was getting fired this season???

    Actually, I think Falls City was predicting Wayne's firing. I forget the timespan of it, but I remember him predicting it.

    In any event, it's kind of obnoxious to call him out like that and rub his face in it.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    I didn't consider the angle that part of Wayne's plan might've been to replace Dunn and Jr by design. Sure, Bruce fills one slot, but who does the other slot go to? I have a feeling Wayne would've bottom fed and the offense would've suffered.
    as of right now the Reds will have one ML quality starting OF under their control for 2009, Jay Bruce, since I don't consider the Reds picking up Jr's $16M option as realistic.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    Originally Posted by Guacarock
    Hope we don't follow the Cardinals' path of picking up every drunk, druggie and low-life player out there.

    Josh Hamilton?
    Don't forget about Freel either.
    And Toe Nash. We picked him up, although that wasn't under Wayne's watch.
    Every club has it's share of reclamation projects.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    In any event, it's kind of obnoxious to call him out like that and rub his face in it.
    Isn't that what Redszone is all about?
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I've seen this sentiment all over the place. Why? What harm does doing it now do that doing it in July -- or next November -- wouldn't?

    In my mind, the only timing issue is that it wasn't done last offseason before he could sign Fogg and Patterson.
    As others have said, this is not a decision that Bob Castellini woke up this morning and made. This is a move that has been thought of for a while. This is a move that needs to be made in the offseason.

    Sure, there are some problems on the roster, but there is no denying this team is in a much, much better spot today than it was the day Wayne Krivsky took over this team.

    If you (Castellini) want to keep a short leash on Wayne, fine. But I don't understand creating organizational chaos in the month of April with the team only three games under .500.

    Unless....there are huge problems in the front office that we do not know about.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Yes, I agree. Wayne had 3 offseasons to improve this team. When you look at results, he's only marginally improved it.
    I'm playing catch up here, but the fact is, he only had two off-seasons to do it. He was hired weeks before spring training in 2006. I blame that on the foolishness of MLB in dragging their feet on the ownership change, but the fact is, he only got two offseasons.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan30 View Post
    Sure, there are some problems on the roster, but there is no denying this team is in a much, much better spot today than it was the day Wayne Krivsky took over this team.
    I wonder if Jay Bruce is going to be the only OF on the team next year.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Jocketty showed interest in Matt Kemp last season and tried to pull a trade off for him...I wonder if he'll revisit a Kemp deal?

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Caveat wonders aloud to the group:

    How much longer does Jay Bruce stay a Red, in AAA, with a new GM that has a past history of trading young players for established stars and a manager that has a past history (albeit showing no signs of that history at the moment) of preferring established players over young ones.
    Again, playing catch up, so maybe somebody made this comment, but doesn't it seem with the Reds that Dusty is relishing working with these young players and seeing them become competent ML players?
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Krivsky his own enemy

    By Hal McCoy | Wednesday, April 23, 2008, 12:48 PM
    What do you think?

    Bob Castellini is a businessman, the nation’s leading fruit and vegetable magnate, and if the price of lettuce and tomatoes has soared the last couple of years, it might be traced back to Wayne Krivsky.

    Castellini, CEO of the Cincinnati Reds, fired general manager Krivsky today, replacing him with Walt Jocketty.

    During Krivsky’s regime, the team has had to eat more dollar bills than the number of heads of lettuce Castellini sells.

    Some questionable contracts that forced the team to pay money to players no longer playing for the Reds didn’t help Krivsky’s cause.

    It started with when he signed pitcher Rheal Cormier to a two-year contract. When the team released him it had to pay him something like $3 million NOT to pitch.

    When the Reds released pitcher Mike Stanton this spring, it forced them to pay him $3.5 million this year NOT to pitch.

    And there is that curious contract he gave outfielder Corey Patterson, who was sitting at home doing nothing during spring training, pursued by no other teams. Krivsky signed him for $3 million when Patterson probably would have taken $500,000 and paid his own way to camp.

    He gave utility player Ryan Freel a deal that pays him $3 million this year and $4 million next year and couldn’t trade him unless the team absorbed some of that money.

    He gave pitcher Josh Fogg a $1.5 million deal mid-spring training when no other teams were pursuing him, a panic move when Krivsky wasn’t certain how good Johnny Cueto and Edinson Volquez would be.

    The $46 million, three-deal for closer Francisco Cordero looked good at the time, but so far, after 21 games, he has had only two save opportunities. That contract may pan out, but right now one wonders.

    All this could be overlooked by Castellini if the team showed a propensity for winning, which it hasn’t during Krivsky’s tenure. After all, Castellini signed off on all those deals, taking Krivsky’s advice. Castellini wants to win and he wants to win now.

    He and Jocketty worked together in St. Louis when Jocketty helped piece together a team that was not contending to one that contended for more than a decade.

    Krivsky and I were friends long before he was named Reds GM. When he worked for the Minnesota Twins, he traveled the country scouting other teams and I encountered him often. We had many lunches together and talked often.

    His ambition, of course, was to be a GM and he would say, “If I’d get the Reds job, there are a lot of things I would do and we’d have a lot of fun.”

    It wasn’t fun. Krivsky remained my friend, but he changed. He was not forthcoming with information to the media, not even on the most menial things. He was guarded, overly guarded.

    Two years ago during the winter meetings in Orlando, I took him aside in his suite after another unproductive media meeting in which he divulged nothing about what the team was doing or trying to do.

    I said, “Wayne, remember when we had lunches and chatted about your future and how much fun we’d have together with the Reds?”

    “Yes,” he said.

    “Well, I’m not having fun,” I said. “Remember when I told you how difficult it was sometimes getting information from your predecessor, Dan O’Brien? Well, you’re worse.”

    Krivsky seemed to think about it, but nothing changed. And nothing changed with the Reds.

    Nobody likes to see anybody lose his job, especially a friend. But Krivsky cut his own throat.

    Jocketty is a good man, too, and a solid baseball man. Things should change, and much for the better.

    http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/con...incinnatireds/
    Seriously... this is WHY Hal is/was considered a really good baseball beat guy, good story and something I thought (and was dead wrong) that WK could grow out of.

    This game is hard, I hope somewhere Bob C. ponders that aspect too.

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    as of right now the Reds will have one ML quality starting OF under their control for 2009, Jay Bruce, since I don't consider the Reds picking up Jr's $16M option as realistic.

    Yes, I agree. It's been a problem looming for some time now.

    Dunn has a ton of leverage going into negotiations, if he wants to exploit it.
    The team can't trade him without his consent. The team only has one legit OF next year locked up as you pointed out.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Why am I afraid of a Homer Bailey to Oakland for Joe Blanton deal? That seems like a Walt Jocketty move.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Haven't read the whole thread yet and not sure of my thoughts, but it was just pointed out to me that I witnessed in person the last game of the Krivsky era. At least now I have something for my tombstone.
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