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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    Why am I afraid of a Homer Bailey to Oakland for Joe Blanton deal? That seems like a Walt Jocketty move.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    That was a pretty cool article by Hal.

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Krivsky his own enemy

    By Hal McCoy | Wednesday, April 23, 2008, 12:48 PM
    What do you think?

    Bob Castellini is a businessman, the nation’s leading fruit and vegetable magnate, and if the price of lettuce and tomatoes has soared the last couple of years, it might be traced back to Wayne Krivsky.

    Castellini, CEO of the Cincinnati Reds, fired general manager Krivsky today, replacing him with Walt Jocketty.

    During Krivsky’s regime, the team has had to eat more dollar bills than the number of heads of lettuce Castellini sells.

    Some questionable contracts that forced the team to pay money to players no longer playing for the Reds didn’t help Krivsky’s cause.

    It started with when he signed pitcher Rheal Cormier to a two-year contract. When the team released him it had to pay him something like $3 million NOT to pitch.

    When the Reds released pitcher Mike Stanton this spring, it forced them to pay him $3.5 million this year NOT to pitch.

    And there is that curious contract he gave outfielder Corey Patterson, who was sitting at home doing nothing during spring training, pursued by no other teams. Krivsky signed him for $3 million when Patterson probably would have taken $500,000 and paid his own way to camp.

    He gave utility player Ryan Freel a deal that pays him $3 million this year and $4 million next year and couldn’t trade him unless the team absorbed some of that money.

    He gave pitcher Josh Fogg a $1.5 million deal mid-spring training when no other teams were pursuing him, a panic move when Krivsky wasn’t certain how good Johnny Cueto and Edinson Volquez would be.

    The $46 million, three-deal for closer Francisco Cordero looked good at the time, but so far, after 21 games, he has had only two save opportunities. That contract may pan out, but right now one wonders.

    All this could be overlooked by Castellini if the team showed a propensity for winning, which it hasn’t during Krivsky’s tenure. After all, Castellini signed off on all those deals, taking Krivsky’s advice. Castellini wants to win and he wants to win now.

    He and Jocketty worked together in St. Louis when Jocketty helped piece together a team that was not contending to one that contended for more than a decade.

    Krivsky and I were friends long before he was named Reds GM. When he worked for the Minnesota Twins, he traveled the country scouting other teams and I encountered him often. We had many lunches together and talked often.

    His ambition, of course, was to be a GM and he would say, “If I’d get the Reds job, there are a lot of things I would do and we’d have a lot of fun.”

    It wasn’t fun. Krivsky remained my friend, but he changed. He was not forthcoming with information to the media, not even on the most menial things. He was guarded, overly guarded.

    Two years ago during the winter meetings in Orlando, I took him aside in his suite after another unproductive media meeting in which he divulged nothing about what the team was doing or trying to do.

    I said, “Wayne, remember when we had lunches and chatted about your future and how much fun we’d have together with the Reds?”

    “Yes,” he said.

    “Well, I’m not having fun,” I said. “Remember when I told you how difficult it was sometimes getting information from your predecessor, Dan O’Brien? Well, you’re worse.”

    Krivsky seemed to think about it, but nothing changed. And nothing changed with the Reds.

    Nobody likes to see anybody lose his job, especially a friend. But Krivsky cut his own throat.

    Jocketty is a good man, too, and a solid baseball man. Things should change, and much for the better.

    http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/con...incinnatireds/
    The key section ...

    It wasn’t fun. Krivsky remained my friend, but he changed.
    Hal is obviously referencing Krivsky being guarded, but the theme here is the same: Krivsky changed as a person. It's a theme that's been coming out from several different directions for a year now.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    I'm playing catch up here, but the fact is, he only had two off-seasons to do it. He was hired weeks before spring training in 2006. I blame that on the foolishness of MLB in dragging their feet on the ownership change, but the fact is, he only got two offseasons.
    Ok, he had about 2.5 offseasons to make the changes he wanted.
    He was actually quite active in that first partial offseason.
    If I remember right, he picked up Arroyo, Ross, Hat, Cody Ross, and maybe others? That's a pretty active offseason. Aguably, it was his best offseason.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    The key section ...



    Hal is obviously referencing Krivsky being guarded, but the theme here is the same: Krivsky changed as a person. It's a theme that's been coming out from several different directions for a year now.

    Doc just said on XM that Krivsky never changed. Who to believe?
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Speaking of contract eating, I suspect the next one on Cast's menu is $3 million wasted entirely, in my view, on Corey Patterson.

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Ok, he had about 2.5 offseasons to make the changes he wanted.
    He was actually quite active in that first partial offseason.
    If I remember right, he picked up Arroyo, Ross, Hat, Cody Ross, and maybe others? That's a pretty active offseason. Aguably, it was his best offseason.
    Was Cody Ross not picked up during the season? It doesn't matter either way.
    "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    Doc just said on XM that Krivsky never changed. Who to believe?
    Did Doc know Krivsky before 2006? Doubtful.

    That's the change. Pre Reds Krivsky vs. Reds Krivsky.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    Ok, he had about 2.5 offseasons to make the changes he wanted.
    He was actually quite active in that first partial offseason.
    If I remember right, he picked up Arroyo, Ross, Hat, Cody Ross, and maybe others? That's a pretty active offseason. Aguably, it was his best offseason.
    No..2, he came on in Feb of 2006... a week before pitchers and catchers

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    It will be very interesting to see how Dunn's contract situation is handled under Jocketty. I had the feeling that this was Dunn's last season in Cincy if Krivsky remained the GM. Now that Jocketty is in charge, I could see him being re-signed to a three or four year deal.

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    I don't put much stock in Hal anymore. He seems to have more sour grapes in today's game than he ever has. He always seemed to struggle with Krivsky's tight liped nature.

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    Cast wanted HIS guy Jocketty in this position. IMO, that's what this is all about.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    Haven't read the whole thread yet and not sure of my thoughts, but it was just pointed out to me that I witnessed in person the last game of the Krivsky era. At least now I have something for my tombstone.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I could see him being re-signed to a three or four year deal.
    ... or traded or allowed to walk.

    Until talks have been initiated there is NO reason to believe Dunn will be back in 2009.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Pretty surprised here. But BC said....."If momma ain't happen, ain't nobody happy" and judging from the recent attendance "Momma" definitely ain't happy!

    Krivsky got an opportunity to show BC he could do it w/o the big contracts. And if he had more time I feel he would have eventually got there. Problem is when you have BC as an owner time is not on your side. Especially when you are not making any friends in the meantime. WJ might be the answer for this period in time, I hope so.

    But I will still stand beside most of the moves Krivsky made as good ones. He did about as good a job with this team in his short time as anybody could have at the time. But perhaps it's time for Phil Jackson to take over the Bulls and take them to the next level.
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