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    The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    Nope it's neither Dunn, Phillips nor Harang in Dave Cameron's opinion.

    Here's his thoughts on which Red it is:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...er-in-baseballhttp://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...er-in-baseball

    Thoughts, comments, opinions?
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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    Thanks, jojo. That was a good article, and a very interesting comparison. To me, Kepp is very solid at SS. Makes all the routine plays. Hits. We could do worse, and have, pretty much all the time since Larkin.
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    Not surprised in the least. Keppinger is no fluke. He skill set includes being among the best contact hitters in baseball by any metric you'd like to use. He walks twice as much as he strikes out. He doesn't swing an miss. That he can play a capable SS is icing on the cake. While he won't get the hoopla, he could prove every bit the find that Phillips was.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    Very interesting, thanks for the link. I'm sure a lot of folks will freak out with Kep being compared to Tony Gwynn.

    What to do with a guy like Kep? To me, his bat screams to be in the lineup every day. I said in chat the other day that he's a total "anti-Red" hitter (lots of contact, high BA, low walks).

    Also, when does his contract expire? Do you resign him?
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    Country Kepp is awesome.
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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    Kepp has shown the doubters that he can play SS quite well, add in his bat and he is quite the player.

    BTW, that play in the hole to throw out Kemp last night was a beauty. He also had a great set of hands, I have not seen a bobble so far this year.
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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    I tend to think of underrated players as players who have been around for awhile, perform well and get little publicity. Kepp hasn't been around for that long so it's difficult to think of him as underrated.
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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    If I asked 10 baseball fans around here, in AL country, who Jeff Keppinger is I doubt more than one or two would know a thing about him. He is underrated by fans but I bet not by baseball people.

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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    Jojo, you still think Kepp isn't an everyday player?
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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    Jojo, you still think Kepp isn't an everyday player?
    I don't think he's an everyday shortstop on a championship caliber team. There are just too many balls that he cannot get to. He is, however, a guy you want in the batting order every day. It's better to also use his versatility as an asset and play him in multiple positions while keeping him in the lineup. If you can have a solid defensive team and he's the guy you put in to give players a breather, you've got something.

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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    Quote Originally Posted by WebScorpion View Post
    I don't think he's an everyday shortstop on a championship caliber team. There are just too many balls that he cannot get to. He is, however, a guy you want in the batting order every day. It's better to also use his versatility as an asset and play him in multiple positions while keeping him in the lineup. If you can have a solid defensive team and he's the guy you put in to give players a breather, you've got something.
    The Yankees seem to have done pretty well with a sure-handed, range-limited, offense-oriented SS. Just sayin...
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    Quote Originally Posted by WebScorpion View Post
    I don't think he's an everyday shortstop on a championship caliber team. There are just too many balls that he cannot get to.
    with a groundball staff that would be true, however, the Reds have a flyball high-K staff which makes his less than ideal range mostly a non-issue.
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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    Quote Originally Posted by WebScorpion View Post
    I don't think he's an everyday shortstop on a championship caliber team. There are just too many balls that he cannot get to. He is, however, a guy you want in the batting order every day. It's better to also use his versatility as an asset and play him in multiple positions while keeping him in the lineup. If you can have a solid defensive team and he's the guy you put in to give players a breather, you've got something.
    I think Dave likes to shock people while making insightful saber arguments.

    It's not likely that Keppinger's true talent is a SLG of .470-.480 at the major league level (he hasn't consistantly slugged anywhere close to that for a prolonged period since giving up aluminum bats). As a player he's useful, even nice. As a starting shortstop, he's a compromise- somewhat of a defensive drag relative to his peers without the the uber offense to leverage as an advantage. His value to the Reds will ultimately be because of the context of their roster and the cost of his production IMHO.
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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    Shortstops on recent championship teams: Julio Lugo, David Eckstein, Juan Uribe, Orlando Cabrera, Alex Gonzalez, David Eckstein, Tony Womack, Derek Jeter. Takes all kinds, I guess.
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    Re: The Most underrated player in baseball....a Red?

    Quote Originally Posted by blumj View Post
    Shortstops on recent championship teams: Julio Lugo, David Eckstein, Juan Uribe, Orlando Cabrera, Alex Gonzalez, David Eckstein, Tony Womack, Derek Jeter. Takes all kinds, I guess.
    Championship teams are borne of scoring many more runs than you allow. There are lots of ways to get there. The end.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.


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