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    Deja Vu again?

    Dan O'Brien = Bill Brgesch
    Wayne Krivsky = Murray Cook
    Walt Jocketty = Bob Quinn???? (We'd hope)

    Bill Bergesch - Hired October 1984
    Former Title - Director of Baseball Operations - New York Yankees.

    First Move - Keefe Cato to San Diego for Darren Burroghs. Bergesch made only 2 trades in his first 8 months on the job.

    Most Famous Player Traded First - Cesar Cedeno was traded to the Cardinals in August for Mark Jackson. Cesar was out of the game the next year but strung together 76 magical at bats for the NL pennant winners.

    Most Famous Trade Pickup - Buddy Bell, 10 months in to the job Bergesch made his first significant trade and it was steal, trading Duane Walker and Jeff Russell in mid July of 1985.

    Best Young Player Pickup - Slow on the draw was Bergesch’s main problem it took him 15 months to pick up a future impact Red, once again though it was steal, with the Reds relinquishing Wayne Krenchicki and ending up with Norm Charlton.

    See Ya - Who’d he cut? - Every GM usually comes aboard with a plan and often that doesn’t include the former regimes players. So the axe often swings freely, in Bergesch’s tenure the axe took down longtime Reds Frank Pastore.

    Biggest Mistake - Being slow with the trade trigger was Bill’s biggest headache and it would eventually cost him his job as he held on to both the Reds shortstop prospects and the quickly multiplying outfield prospects.

    First Draft - Bergesch endeared himself to Reds fans forever by being the GM who chose Barry Larkin with the 4th pick in the 1985 draft.

    Murray Cook - Hired October 1987
    Former Title: Montreal GM and Yankee Employee.

    First Move - - Unlike his predecessor Cook started off with a bang, trading Kurt Stillwell for left hander Danny Jackson, who would be a major player for the Reds for the next few years.

    Most Famous Player Traded First - Targeting pitching was Cooks first order of business, so he moved Dave Parker for Jose Rijo and Tim Birtsas.

    Most Famous Trade Pickup - Danny Jackson was an established starter who immediately strengthened the Reds weak staff.

    Best Young Player Pickup - Jose Rijo would go on to be one of the best pitchers in team history.

    See Ya - Who’d he cut? - Cook was the man who sent Tom Hume into the coaching profession in the autumn of 1987.

    Biggest Mistake - Saddled without a first round choice in the 1988 draft Cook took Jeff Branson with the number one pick, in a draft that was largely disappointing from top to bottom for the Reds.

    First Draft - See above.

    Bob Quinn - Hired October 1989
    Former Title: Yankee Employee

    First Move - - It almost seems common with Reds general managers, the first deal is usually a deal for arms, and in Cook’s case it was no different, in December he sent John Franco to the Mets for Randy Meyers and Kip Gross.

    Most Famous Player Traded First - John Franco was the Reds closer and a fan favorite, evidently he was easy to replace.

    Most Famous Trade Pickup - Billy Hatcher/Bill Doran. Not looking for big name players Quinn’s biggest names acquired would both play roles in the 1990 teams run for the title, and neither would cost more then a middling prospect.

    Best Young Player Pickup - Quinn’s 2nd trade was a steal for the Reds as Quinn picked the pocket of his former employers the Yankees and traded Tim Leary and Van Snider for Hal Morris.

    See Ya - Who’d he cut? - Quinn was the man responsible finally getting Dave Collins of the field of play.

    Biggest Mistake - The man drove the bus to the World Series in his first season, we’ll give this one a pass.

    First Draft - In Quinn’s first draft he created what some consider a cardinal sin, he drafted a catcher with his first pick. Holy Steve Swisher, it didn’t fail… nor impress many either.

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    Re: Deja Vu again?

    Interesting read, good stuff.

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    Re: Deja Vu again?

    Then comes Jim Bowden!!!!!

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    Re: Deja Vu again?

    The Reds GM job, at least for most of my life, has been a siege perilous. Howsam and Bowden are the exceptions, not the rule. Walt Jocketty would do well to take note.
    Wait until the year after next year.

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