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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    My guess is that Cast wanted Krivsky out in the off season but Jocketty said no - I'll be an advisor but not the GM. The bad start gave Cast what he wanted all along.

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    I'm not very pleased with this. You can say goodbye to our strong farm system. After all these years of having nothing in the farm, Wayne was able to build it up into a top notch system. Damn.

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    Re: Fay sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by OldXOhio View Post
    I don't get this sentiment.
    If the plan is to win in 2008, then we're not even remotely close.

    If the plan is to win in 2009, there's still time to make that happen.

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    I don't like it. I've been very lukewarm on Krivsky, but I don't like what this signals about the organization. What have they learned early inthe season that they didn't know before it started. It tells me this organziation doesn't really know what it's doing. This makes little sense to me unless there's something there we just don't know about.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    I'm not stunned. The roster is disaster with redundant parts, the team is struggling.

    I have never been a big WK fan but I will take a wait and see attitude no matter the GM. If there is an area that seemed to improve under WK is was player development(but maybe it was just luck).

    In addition, there is anecdotal evidence that WK wanted "yes" men and tended to ignore contrary opinions.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Very surprising. There better be more to the story.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    I hope Jocketty doesn't start trading off any of the young guys.

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    ESPN's picked up on Doc's column and is reporting the firing now. I have to admit, I never saw it coming mid season. Just doesn't make sense. There's little a new GM can do this time of year anyway.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I'm not very pleased with this. You can say goodbye to our strong farm system. After all these years of having nothing in the farm, Wayne was able to build it up into a top notch system. Damn.
    I dunno. Should Clinton get credit for the economy of the 90's or should he get credit for not screwing it up?

    That's kind of where I am with Krivsky and his stewardship of the Reds farm.
    "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    ESPN.com seems to blame The Trade, showing they aren't the most in-touch group.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by Az Red View Post
    I don't buy the 'money tied up in bad contracts'. Mr. C just lost a bunch of money by firing Kriv. It puts him in a worse financial situation. It always comes down to wins and losses. There's got to be more to this story.
    He ate a lot more cutting Juan Castro than he did by firing Krivsky.

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I dunno. Should Clinton get credit for the economy of the 90's or should he get credit for not screwing it up?

    That's kind of where I am with Krivsky and his stewardship of the Reds farm.
    Beat me to it. DanO had some very nice drafts.
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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Well. We have a name manager and name GM. We're all set.

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    I can't help but think there was a major disagreement with a player personel move that Krivsky said something to the tone of "I won't do that, you will have to fire me in order to do that".

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    Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I'm not very pleased with this. You can say goodbye to our strong farm system. After all these years of having nothing in the farm, Wayne was able to build it up into a top notch system. Damn.
    Why again exactly?

    It sure wasn't his drafts - Krivsky did take talent that was already within the system and put policies and procedures in place that streamlined things and allowed for development but who is to say that those things are going anywhere?

    Again, his two first round picks have been Stubbs and Merasco (sp?) - his other picks are at low levels and there is no guarantee how they'll end up, but I can't say I'm too sorry that he won't be handing the number 7 overall pick this year.
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