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    Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    Yahoo notes the following for Jeff Keppinger yesterday:
    May 1 SS Jeff Keppinger, a contact hitter deluxe, has swung and missed only 10 pitches this season in 113 at-bats.
    After one month, he is hitting .301/.350/.416 for an OPS of .766. He has 9 walks, and only 4 strikeouts, in 122 plate appearances. He is hitting .320 vs. lefties, and .295 vs. righties. His BABIP is .299, meaning that he has actually been a little unlucky so far.

    We had a discussion the other day about his fielding in a minor league thread. He has one error so far in 93 chances, and has a solid 'zone rating' as well. See HERE for the current NL shortstops ranked by zone rating. Kepp in 7th out of 15. (Zone rating= The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc.)

    Overall, Country Kepp has been very solid so far. Given that his current salary is listed on ESPN at $402,500, he is a great deal.
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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    He is also second in GIDP at 7, one off of Pedro Feliz. Phillips only has 3 by the way

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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    Keppinger is the answer to the leadoff question. For some reason, Dusty doesn't seem to see that.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    I will toot my own horn by pointing out how much I tooted Kepp's horn since October...

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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Keppinger is the answer to the leadoff question. For some reason, Dusty doesn't seem to see that.

    If only he could play CF.
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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    Kepp's propensity for DPs have him sitting LAST in WPA among REDS hitters.
    Very surprising.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?...ds&season=2008

    I like him for leadoff, too. DPs not so much of an issue after the pitcher spot.
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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    Kepp's propensity for DPs have him sitting LAST in WPA among REDS hitters.
    Very surprising.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?...ds&season=2008

    I like him for leadoff, too. DPs not so much of an issue after the pitcher spot.
    Exactly. We know he's going to make a lot of contact and he's not going to slug much. That's a recipe for double plays when you try to make him an "RBI guy" by batting him behind our slow, high OBP guys.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    If only he could play CF.
    Sure......why not?
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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Sure......why not?
    Well, that was easy. Good call. Not sure I'd want him between Dunn and Junior, but between Dunn and Bruce wouldn't be so bad.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    My goodness....Some guys just materialize out of nowhere.

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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    I know everybody loves Kepp, but here's a hard question. If he OPSes .760 and is mediocre at best at SS, do you make a spot for him? Is he a regular? Do you put him on 3b and move EE to left--where EE may have to go? As much as I like Keppinger, I'm not convinced he's an everyday player on a contender.

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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    I know everybody loves Kepp, but here's a hard question. If he OPSes .760 and is mediocre at best at SS, do you make a spot for him? Is he a regular? Do you put him on 3b and move EE to left--where EE may have to go? As much as I like Keppinger, I'm not convinced he's an everyday player on a contender.

    OPS doesn't always tell the story. OPS is great for determining top of the line hitters, who combine OBP and slugging. When dealing with a lead-off type, a tablesetter, the OBP component will be high but the SLG often low. And the OPS, in turn, won't be overly impressive.

    So OPS doesn't really tell you very much about a table setting hitter. Now, it's fair to say you only want high OPS guys on your team. But in the real world, a couple of .760 OPS guys -- where .370 is the OBP component -- isn't that bad.

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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I will toot my own horn by pointing out how much I tooted Kepp's horn since October...
    After the Dust settles, Keppy is basically average-slightly above offensively (mainly due to an above average OPB ability) for a shortstop while being a minus defender there. An average middle infielder at league minimum is a nice thing but as the legend grows because he doesn't K or make obvious errors, he'll quickly become a prime candidate for the "overrated Reds" thread....
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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    After the Dust settles, Keppy is basically average-slightly above offensively (mainly due to an above average OPB ability) for a shortstop while being a minus defender there. An average middle infielder at league minimum is a nice thing but as the legend grows because he doesn't K or make obvious errors, he'll quickly become a prime candidate for the "overrated Reds" thread....
    yet many still want to move him to "super-sub" when AGon returns...

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    Re: Jeff Keppinger: A true contact hitter

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    OPS doesn't always tell the story. OPS is great for determining top of the line hitters, who combine OBP and slugging. When dealing with a lead-off type, a tablesetter, the OBP component will be high but the SLG often low. And the OPS, in turn, won't be overly impressive.

    So OPS doesn't really tell you very much about a table setting hitter. Now, it's fair to say you only want high OPS guys on your team. But in the real world, a couple of .760 OPS guys -- where .370 is the OBP component -- isn't that bad.
    Bingo. I have been trying to put this thought into words several times when people start tossing around OPS as if OB% and SLG% are treated equally...


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