Turn Off Ads?
Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: Lets Be Realistic With Trades

  1. #1
    Captain Rounding Third's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Northern Kentucky
    Posts
    384

    Lets Be Realistic With Trades

    I think we are all, probably including myself, are overrating the value of our players.

    Ryan Freel
    A $3MM+ utility player that is reckless, injury prone and on the wrong side of 30. To be able to trade him we wouldn't get that much in return and we would probably have to eat all or most of the contract.

    Ken Griffey Jr
    Making way to much money and injury prone, this sounds familiar. If we trade him this year he is pretty much a rented bat for a couple of months. Griffey isn't who he used to be though. He isn't going to hit .300 or have a high OBP or hit 40 home runs. Very few suitors for him, all are in the American League. We wouldn't get much in return for him.

    Adam Dunn
    Probably has the most trade value of anybody right now. A more viable option that Griffey is. A progressive team can see the value in him with his high OBP and home run power. The only downsides are he has only a few teams he can be traded too and it is a contract year. Dunn is exactly the kind of player Walt Jocketty used to trade for. Contract year, undervalued and the team can't afford to keep him.

    Bronson Arroyo
    Terrible beginning of the year and being paid too much for what he is actually doing. A team may want to take a chance on him, but the Reds would probably not get much in return and would have to take the salary.

    Corey Patterson
    I wouldn't think anybody would really want to sign Patterson in the offseason. I wish I was correct. Good luck removing him from Dusty's grasp as well. Signed for way too much, seems to be a trend, and hasn't shown and never has shown why he is worth that much.

    Norris Hopper
    Never know who may want to pick up a speedy 4th-5th outfielder. Not there is a deficiency of them. However his ability to bunt and speed and being able to play at every outfield position is an asset. Not going to get anything breathtaking for him.

    Just to sum it all up:

    We have a lot of overpaid players that have little to no value. Which means we probably can't get much for these guys.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Member mroby85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    2,282

    Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades

    the most logical thing to do would be to stop proposing trades since we have absolutely no say in them happening

  4. #3
    Member durl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Nashvull
    Posts
    1,750

    Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades

    I agree with the OP's thought. More than a few people advocate trading players like Griffey, Patterson, and Dunn as though it's a video game in which anything goes. The reality is that player's performance and contracts can add an incredibly high level of complexity to many trades.

    Trade ideas are interesting to discuss but we should at least be realistic.

  5. #4
    Member tommycash's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    442

    Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades

    I don't think discussing Griffey and Dunn are out of line since both are in a contract year and could help many teams (in the AL). You don't think that a team that needs a left handed power bat would be willing to trade some prospect for Dunn or Griffey if they were in the chase.

  6. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    544

    Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades

    Quote Originally Posted by tommycash View Post
    I don't think discussing Griffey and Dunn are out of line since both are in a contract year and could help many teams (in the AL). You don't think that a team that needs a left handed power bat would be willing to trade some prospect for Dunn or Griffey if they were in the chase.
    The point is... There's not point in creating unrealistic trade ideas.

    Griffey for Clement isn't happening
    Dunn for Kemp doesn't work
    Arroyo for anything useful would never happen
    etc.

    How about Josh Fogg for Holliday? or more like a 24 y/o single A non-prospect

  7. #6
    Member tommycash's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Indiana
    Posts
    442

    Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades

    Quote Originally Posted by mlbfan30 View Post
    The point is... There's not point in creating unrealistic trade ideas.

    Griffey for Clement isn't happening
    Dunn for Kemp doesn't work
    Arroyo for anything useful would never happen
    etc.

    How about Josh Fogg for Holliday? or more like a 24 y/o single A non-prospect
    You're right. We can discuss reasonable trades. I am with you on that aspect.

  8. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    3,189

    Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades

    I guess I better keep my mouth shut about the Fogg and Dunn to Colorado for Helton and some spects .

  9. #8
    Recovering Cubs Fan
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    711

    Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades

    Dunn and Griffey for Soriano.

    Seriously, as a Cub fan, I'd do anything to get out of that horrible contract. And Fonz is Dusty's wet dream player.

    Please don't bother enumerating all the reasons this could never happen. I actually think both managers would totally be all for it. Lou might even throw in Pie.
    FIRE DUSTY Never mind. The man is clearly a genius.

  10. #9
    Captain Rounding Third's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Northern Kentucky
    Posts
    384

    Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades

    Quote Originally Posted by Natty Redlocks View Post
    Dunn and Griffey for Soriano.

    Seriously, as a Cub fan, I'd do anything to get out of that horrible contract. And Fonz is Dusty's wet dream player.

    Please don't bother enumerating all the reasons this could never happen. I actually think both managers would totally be all for it. Lou might even throw in Pie.
    Did you know the Cubs are in the same division as the Reds?

  11. #10
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    728

    Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades

    Quote Originally Posted by mlbfan30 View Post
    The point is... There's not point in creating unrealistic trade ideas.

    Griffey for Clement isn't happening
    Dunn for Kemp doesn't work
    Arroyo for anything useful would never happen
    etc.

    How about Josh Fogg for Holliday? or more like a 24 y/o single A non-prospect
    Junior for Jeff Clement isn't happening...but Junior and Matt Maloney and assuming all of Junior's remaining 2008 salary might just be workable.

  12. #11
    Recovering Cubs Fan
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    711

    Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades

    Quote Originally Posted by Rounding Third View Post
    Did you know the Cubs are in the same division as the Reds?
    Whut's a duhvision?
    FIRE DUSTY Never mind. The man is clearly a genius.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25