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    Aaron Harang and Run Support

    Much talk about how the Reds score no runs when Harang is on the mound. It's simple. Harang faces every team's No. 1 starter and that means he must be perfect to win (tonight, even if he were perfect, it wouldn't matter). With this club averaging about 4 hits in most games, it wouldn't matter if you had Cy Young pitching, they'd still lose. No hitting=no wins. Pitching is sweet, but offense makes the train run.
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    Re: Aaron Harang and Run Support

    Opening Day: Webb (L)
    April 5th: Eaton (ND)
    April 10th: Villaneuva (W)
    April 15th: Dempster (L)
    April 20th: Gallardo (ND)
    April 25th: Sanchez (L)
    April 30th: Looper (L)
    Today: Zambrano (L/ND)

    8 starts
    2 "No. 1s" faced.

    It has very little to do with facing aces, and more so to do with the Reds offense being bad.
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    Re: Aaron Harang and Run Support

    Off days, skipped starts, injuries, etc. completely ruin the chance of #1's consistently facing each other. Facing Zambrano today was nothing more than just a coincedence (he could have just as easily faced any other Cubs starter).

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    Re: Aaron Harang and Run Support

    I feel bad for the big guy. I'd say every member of the starting lineup owes Aaron a trip to Jeff Ruby's at some point during the year to make up for it.
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    Re: Aaron Harang and Run Support

    Bronson got this a couple years ago. Seems like some pitcher gets it every year, this year its Harang. It sucks, but its part of baseball.

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    Re: Aaron Harang and Run Support

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Opening Day: Webb (L)
    April 5th: Eaton (ND)
    April 10th: Villaneuva (W)
    April 15th: Dempster (L)
    April 20th: Gallardo (ND)
    April 25th: Sanchez (L)
    April 30th: Looper (L)
    Today: Zambrano (L/ND)

    8 starts
    2 "No. 1s" faced.

    It has very little to do with facing aces, and more so to do with the Reds offense being bad.
    With the current state of the Reds offense, we make plenty of opposing arms look like No. 1s.

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    Re: Aaron Harang and Run Support

    Why even worry about a pitcher's W-L record?
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    Re: Aaron Harang and Run Support

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Why even worry about a pitcher's W-L record?
    Because total them up and it is the team's W/L record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Why even worry about a pitcher's W-L record?
    Because if you end up with more wins and losses than anyone else when the career is over, then they might name an award that is given to the best pitcher in each league after you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Because total them up and it is the team's W/L record.
    If that's the true value then why not just go straight to the standings above the boxscores?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    Because if you end up with more wins and losses than anyone else when the career is over, then they might name an award that is given to the best pitcher in each league after you.
    The only win-dependent award that matters is a world championship and that's a team/organisation honor.
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    Re: Aaron Harang and Run Support

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    The only win-dependent award that matters is a world championship and that's a team/organisation honor.
    Then there is your answer... if your ace can win then that means your team wins.. the more your team wins the better chance you have at winning a championship. I'd rather take the mirror W-L record then where it stands.

    This offense is struggling.. point plank. When you can go out and have a football type of scoring game with Atlanta can't seem to muster up the run consistancy over a stretch of games is beyond me. Baserunning should also be something that is addressed.. I don't think I've seen this many blown oppertunities.. The Krivsky move should of sent a message.. aparently not.
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    Re: Aaron Harang and Run Support

    My amateur math (roughly adding the pitch count they showed briefly on FSN) tells me Zambrano threw somewhere near 60 pitches in the first three innings, and a little over 50 the next 5.

    That's not going to cut it. You have to keep the pitcher working. Maybe Hatte and Kepp can hold some "foul this outside corner 2-2 pitch off on purpose" practice. An underrated skill, IMO, is fouling off strikes you can't hit hard to make the pitcher work.
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    Re: Aaron Harang and Run Support

    I thought WV was producing a Carnac the Magnificant

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    Then there is your answer... if your ace can win then that means your team wins.. the more your team wins the better chance you have at winning a championship. I'd rather take the mirror W-L record then where it stands.

    This offense is struggling.. point plank. When you can go out and have a football type of scoring game with Atlanta can't seem to muster up the run consistancy over a stretch of games is beyond me. Baserunning should also be something that is addressed.. I don't think I've seen this many blown oppertunities.. The Krivsky move should of sent a message.. aparently not.
    I think focusing on the two bolded phrases speaks volumes about why a pitcher's W-L record isn't important.
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