The lineup has so many lefties, and Dusty is so intent on not stacking them (to avoid media blowback, apparently), that we almost have to have a lefty leading off. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Dusty bats Patterson leadoff because he needed Keppinger to break up the lefties down in the order. It's an obsession.
I'd probably go:
Freel
Votto
Dunn
EE
Junior
Phillips
Bako
Janish
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
I want a winner. I could care less about #600.
If the Reds cared about winning they'd ship him out as soon as possible, even if it is before #600.
Heck, he would be easier to deal sitting a couple away from #600.
Do. It. Now.
A couple of other variables in the equation:Originally Posted by Cyclone792
* Being a super-two doesn't just make him more expensive in that one year, it makes him more expensive in succeeding arbitration years also. Players are allowed to compare themselves to others in their "class," so if Bruce is a super-two and originally goes to arbitration before the 2011 season, he'll go into the 2012 season with the ability to compare himself to second-time arb-eligibles instead of first-time arb-eligibles, and that drives up the price of his comps.
If we're lucky, he's as good as advertised and we lock him up long-term before then anyway.
* There is no way to know for 100% certain whether a borderline player will be a super-two until the year it happens. History has shown that 2.120 has been the minimum, but it changes from year to year depending on the specific players involved because it's the top 17% of the two-year class. I wonder if that 2.120 figure might go down in future years as more teams play the game. If I remember right, most teams target June 1 as the "safe" date just to give themselves a little cushion.
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If you want to maximize the return in a trade with SEA, I'd think getting him to them before he hits 600 would be huge. Let him hit 600 for them, nobody seems to care at all in Cincy.
GL
I don't disagree with that, but as I said, I can't imagine the Reds doing it.
Exactly.
Probably the best case scenario is Griffey not hitting any HR's until Bruce gets past the "super two" point (2 weeks) and then trade Griffey back to Seattle as he sits on 597 or 598.
The Reds are on the hook for what 12 million in '08 (9 million left) and 4M option? Offer Seattle to pay the rest of his salary in '08 (9 million) for Clement.
me too. the fracture must be a crack or 'hairline' fracture. i have seen patients with patellas broken in half. Kep could have missed the rest of 2008 with a fracture like that.
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I think it's 4 to 6 weeks before he can even do anything baseball related. Then there is the rehab/get back into baseball shape etc....
Basically it'll be a lot longer than 4 weeks before he's back on the active roster.
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There is no way Seattle would do that. Forget Clement.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
FWIW, Will Carroll over at BP has him expected out for 60 days. That strikes me as pretty realistic.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
I think Lincoln's pathetic showing tonight, for instance, is a perfect example of a dogcrap pitcher masquerading as a real option. Defense had nothing to do with that monstrosity. Burton and Bray also provide the fireworks on any given night.
Lame group of arms down there.
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The former GM showed no ability to judge bullpen talent. When two non-roster invites make it and Majewski and Coffey continue to get opportunity after opportunity to get lit up, it makes me realize how much I don't miss the former GM.
Agree with all of this, but who cares? The progressive teams lock these guys up before arb hits. I say bring him up now and lock him up after 2009 or 2010 at the latest. Players of Bruce caliber should really make this a non-issue.
I think the issue is the monument in RF.
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It's still an issue of saved money whether he's locked up early or not. Once Bruce is safely in the majors and not in risk of any demotion (ala an EE last year), then any agent should be able to safely determine Bruce's pay structure through his arbitration years. If Bruce is due to make league min in 2011 rather than arbit, it's actually more likely the Reds can work out a progressive deal with Bruce. The less money Bruce is due through the whole of his league min + arbit years, the better chance the Reds have of throwing some guaranteed money at him those years in exchange for buying out some FA years.
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