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    Re: Keppinger fractures knee

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    While I never like to see anyone get injured and I think Jeff Keppinger deserves a ton of credit for clawing his way into the majors, the unpleasant truth of the Reds at the moment is they rank 30th in MLB in DER at .676. Deficient defense is still crippling this club and Jeff Keppinger simply is not a major league SS.

    Whether Janish will play and whether his glove will be as good as advertised (e.g. unlike Rainer Olmedo, Gookie Dawkins, Freddie Benavides, Kurt Stillwell, etc.) we'll see. A .600ish OPS would undo anything a good glove would add, but I suspect plus defense at shortstop would render some dramatic improvement on the IF.
    Yep, I like Jeff Keppinger, but he's not a MLB SS.

    The sooner the Reds fans quit pretending that the sooner they can move on and maybe see what one resembles.

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    Re: Keppinger fractures knee

    the unpleasant truth of the Reds at the moment is they rank 30th in MLB in DER at .676. Deficient defense is still crippling this club and Jeff Keppinger simply is not a major league SS.
    I suspect the main culprit is the OF, not SS.
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    Re: Keppinger fractures knee

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    I suspect the main culprit is the OF, not SS.
    Or both.
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    Or both.
    Exactly. It's a team accomplishment. Horrific defense in the OF corners certainly is a big contributor, but I'd like to see what happened if the Reds put a quality SS and RF in the mix.
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    Re: Keppinger fractures knee

    The defense has a chance to go from being the worst defense in baseball to maybe one of the better defenses later on this season. Kepp will be replaced by Janish at SS and Griffey will be replaced by Bruce in RF. That's the big one there - Bruce for Griffey. The defense improves drastically with that move. That then gives the Reds a plus defender in RF, a glove glove caliber CFer in Patterson, a rangy middle infield with a rangy third baseman and a first baseman who - while not gold glove caliber - has been solid. If/when Dunn is traded you have think his replacement will be better with the glove.

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    I don't expect the Reds to expend any major capital to acquire a replacement SS. Let's see what Janish can do and go from there. I'd expect him to get the majority of the SS playing time with Hairston filling in against tough pitchers.

    The Reds have already been pretty lucky in that Keppinger provided quality backup to Gonzalez. Just like with Bakos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Exactly. It's a team accomplishment. Horrifice defense in the OF corners certainly is a big contributor, but I'd like to see what happened if the Reds put a quality SS and RF in the mix.
    I obviously have a bias toward the impact of defense but it's interesting that two of the most improved teams this season based upon record (Tampa and Baltimore) are also two of the most improved teams defensively.

    Caveats apply (it's still a young season, rosters are complicated etc) and certainly I'm not arguing the differences in either team between this and last season are entirely defense related. That said, their team defenses are playing a large role IMHO (heck, the O's traded away one of the best lefties in the AL-certain local radio personalities can take that and chew on it a while...)

    Anyway, I was ruined by watching the 2001 Ms play defense. To me great defense just makes beautiful baseball.
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    Anyway, I was ruined by watching the 2001 Ms play defense.
    Me?

    I was ruined by turf, the game doesn't look the way it did when my baseball mind was being molded, in fact on the field it seems slow much slower.

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    Re: Keppinger fractures knee

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    The defense has a chance to go from being the worst defense in baseball to maybe one of the better defenses later on this season. Kepp will be replaced by Janish at SS and Griffey will be replaced by Bruce in RF. That's the big one there - Bruce for Griffey. The defense improves drastically with that move. That then gives the Reds a plus defender in RF, a glove glove caliber CFer in Patterson, a rangy middle infield with a rangy third baseman and a first baseman who - while not gold glove caliber - has been solid. If/when Dunn is traded you have think his replacement will be better with the glove.
    agree. i for one am looking forward to a team that plays good D. it has been a long long time.

    i often think back to the 1990 team. they won with an ace, a great pen, clutch hitting, small ball & great defense. i think Eric Davis led the team with 86 rbis.
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    Re: Keppinger fractures knee

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Anyway, I was ruined by watching the 2001 Ms play defense. To me great defense just makes beautiful baseball.
    When I was younger, I used to think defense in baseball wasn't important at all. Now that I've gotten older and watched the Reds play defense, I've realized how foolish I was for thinking that. I've realized just how important good defense is in major league baseball. Look at the Cardinals for example, they've run a bunch of retreads out to the mound and found success because of a great defense behind them. Look at the 1999 Reds - not a dominant starter in the bunch but they pitched solid because they had a great defense behind them. I only hope Walt can improve this squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    i think Eric Davis led the team with 86 rbis.
    Different game then, only 11 guys had 100 RBI in 1990, 32 last year alone.

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    RBI                             RBI    
    1    Cecil Fielder               132   
    2    Matt Williams               122   
    3    Bobby Bonilla               120   
    4    Kelly Gruber                118   
    5    Joe Carter                  115   
    6    Barry Bonds                 114   
    T7   Mark McGwire                108   
    T7   Darryl Strawberry           108   
    9    Jose Canseco                101   
    T10  Ryne Sandberg               100   
    T10  Andre Dawson                100   
    12   Tim Wallach                  98   
    13   Ruben Sierra                 96   
    T14  Will Clark                   95   
    T14  Candy Maldonado              95   
    T14  Eddie Murray                 95
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    Re: Keppinger fractures knee

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    To me great defense just makes beautiful baseball.
    Agree completely, I would go to games in the 80's and 90's just to watch Larkin play SS - thought it was nerdy as all get out but I was the only one in my section who stood up and appreciated everything he did defensively in his prime - it was an honor to watch that. Davis was another one.

    Same goes for the BRM in the 70's, as a little leaguer we'd go and watch them take infield practice before games just to watch what perfectionists they were - all were just masters of their craft and true professionals in that regard. The throws they'd make were perfect every time and like a musician, came about from years of repetition and practice beyond what was required, you could appreciate why they were the best of the best.

    It's sad that's been discarded somewhat for huge guns and HR's and the ESPN generation.

    Not sure why I went off on that but the most enjoyable part of watching baseball still for me, is good defense. Watching this team over the last 5-7 years has made me ill and lose respect for today's pro's in that regard.

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    Re: Keppinger fractures knee

    The OF, SS, 3rd, and yes, catcher are all culprits.

    I think the corner this team will turn (if they wish to turn it) lies in defense, an improved pen, and some more stability in the rotation.

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    Re: Keppinger fractures knee

    The question with the above if Janish starts at SS and Patterson in CF, is if the lineup can handle those outs. No question, the defense is solid.

    Me? I'd put Janish at SS, hit him 8/9 and let it ride. Is there a sliding scale of what a career minor league .736 OPS translates to at the big league level?
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    Re: Keppinger fractures knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    The OF, SS, 3rd, and yes, catcher are all culprits.

    I think the corner this team will turn (if they wish to turn it) lies in defense, an improved pen, and some more stability in the rotation.
    But wait, that's four corners to turn, doesn't that place them at the nexus of the universe?
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