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    Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    Assuming that he CAN be moved, do you believe he should be moved to a different team ASAP?
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    Sorry WMR, not trying to be divisive.... but they need to trade, release, or walk out into RF and do an "Eight Belles" on the guy just to end these countless threads on the subject.
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    Sorry WMR, not trying to be divisive.... but they need to trade, release, or walk out into RF and do an "Eight Belles" on the guy just to end these countless threads on the subject.
    So is that a "Yes" or a "No"??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    I just know there's some folks very vocal on the subject, I'm just curious to see how widespread that thought process concerning Junior truly is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    So is that a "Yes" or a "No"??

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    There probably isn't a person on this forum, me included, who would vote "No".

    But it doesn't matter what the fans say, or even this FO. Jr has the final word (vote).

    Put yourself in the place of any GM who is on a contending team on Jr's list. Would you try to acquire this guy? Why?

    He's a novelty in his quest for the elusive #600. After that? Blah.

    P.S. - I voted yes while rubbing my lucky rabbit's foot, just for the sake of the poll.
    Last edited by GAC; 05-18-2008 at 09:52 AM.
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    There probably isn't a person on this forum, me included, who would vote "No".

    But it doesn't matter what the fans say, or even this FO. Jr has the final word (vote).

    Put yourself in the place of any GM who is on a contending team on Jr's list. Would you try to acquire this guy? Why?

    He's a novelty in his quest for the elusive #600. After that? Blah.
    Well, we just had a thread where people are saying that they "can't let go." I don't think it's quite as cut and dry as you posit.

    I was approaching it from the standpoint that Junior WOULD accept a move (which I believe that he would). The only thing missing from his HoF resume is a WS ring. His salary is a sunk cost at this point... even if the Reds had to agree to pay a portion of his $4 million dollar buyout, it'd still be addition by subtraction, IMO.

    Could a team primed for a deep playoff run use a DH/platoon bat with the KGJ pedigree that they could likely acquire for next to nothing? I believe so. It's going to take some invention on the part of all parties involved, but it can get done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    I was approaching it from the standpoint that Junior WOULD accept a move (which I believe that he would). The only thing missing from his HoF resume is a WS ring. His salary is a sunk cost at this point... even if the Reds had to agree to pay a portion of his $4 million dollar buyout, it'd still be addition by subtraction, IMO.

    Could a team primed for a deep playoff run use a DH/platoon bat with the KGJ pedigree that they could likely acquire for next to nothing? I believe so. It's going to take some invention on the part of all parties involved, but it can get done.
    At this early stage of the season though, there is no way to say WHO is primed for the post-season? And more importantly.... do those teams want, or even need, the likes of a Ken Griffey Jr who is a shadow of his former self?

    If, as many say, he is "killing us", then why in the world would anyone want to take that on themselves? What's the benefit if the guy can't play the field, run the bases, and is OPSing in the low 700's?

    Pedigree means nothing in MLB. It's only good if you're going to put a leash on him and show him.

    He's been in decline due to age and injury. Is not producing here. Yet you say he could elsewhere?

    You're playing the role of the used car salesman. And while I'm walking around your lot you're trying to sell, or pawn off on me, that AMC Gremlin sitting in the back lot that nobody in their right mind, regardless of the price, would even consider.
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    move him ASAP while the allure of home run #600 adds to his value!
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    OK. We've gotten two yes votes.

    I didn't know Baker and Jocketty could vote on here!
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    The problem is not just making the trade, it's the return on the trade or more precisely, the cost of the trade. It's clear the Reds will have to send cash with the trade to make it palatable, but will they also have to send prospects to make it sweet enough for a trade partner to bite? I don't want a deal that fixes today's problem but creates more problems tomorrow by depleting the farm system.

    Those of us who want a trade are not going to have our cake and eat it, too. I just don't want to see us get our cake and find out it gives us a case of food poisoning that lasts into the next decade.

    In other words, I want a "Yes, but..." choice.
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    move him ASAP while the allure of home run #600 adds to his value!
    What allure? Would you, if you were a contending team's GM, fall for that?

    I don't see how chasing #600 adds to his value?

    It's almost painful watching him attempt it.
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    What allure? Would you, if you were a contending team's GM, fall for that?

    I don't see how chasing #600 adds to his value?

    It's almost painful watching him attempt it.
    does he have to be traded to a contender?
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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    There probably isn't a person on this forum, me included, who would vote "No".
    Well, I voted no...to say we need to trade him right now assumes we can't be just as well served with Bruce being called up, playing in CF against RH and in RF against LH, with Freel getting the starts against lefties in center...Patterson is a late-game defensive specialist and we get better immediately...

    I'd rather see Griffey re-cast appropriately (part-time starter against RH pitching, big PH bat off bench, fan attraction, batting 6th/7th) than traded for pennies on the dollar...I just don't see a trade netting anything of worth...

    The issue is much less Griffey as it is THE USE OF GRIFFEY and THE LACK OF BRUCE...if Dusty/Walt, et al would simply allow this to play out gracefully as I and others have suggested, this wouldn't be nearly as painful and would be MUCH better for this club...

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    Re: Should KGJ be traded ASAP?

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    does he have to be traded to a contender?
    That's what he says he wants. And he has veto power over any deal.
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